Are beating of female students in secondary school allowed??
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To itachi: not garfield lor.
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Normally good advise fall on deaf ears.Originally posted by newcomer:Dino888, shut the fu(k up if you can't comment anything constructive other than your childish know-it-all remarks.
Fishyang, I sympathise with you. I think you should report the case to MOE. Clearly, the principal hit you out of political reasons and personal rage: mainly to use you as an example against students who may write anything that tarnishes the school's image, or the principal's own reputation. The principal may be allowed to carry out punishment, not violence. Tearing your skin and making you bleed is beyond his/her authority.
Yeah Fishyang, listen to the "expert", report the case to MOE and embarass yourself. -
Since you can't handle the truth, by all meansOriginally posted by newcomer:Dino888, shut the fu(k up if you can't comment anything constructive other than your childish know-it-all remarks.
Fishyang, I sympathise with you. I think you should report the case to MOE. Clearly, the principal hit you out of political reasons and personal rage: mainly to use you as an example against students who may write anything that tarnishes the school's image, or the principal's own reputation. The principal may be allowed to carry out punishment, not violence. Tearing your skin and making you bleed is beyond his/her authority.
And remember try not to croak too loud as when you look back at yourself 20 years later, you will know that you are indeed a joke itself
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I had also linked the school hate website in one entry and said that it was wrong of people to write such stuff about the school and i agreed about the lockers being small. Then she accused me for being anti-fairfield
you should understand that the principal is bullying you and this is tyrany. It is not against any school rules and national law to write about a school in a blog as long as they are trueful and objective. posting a link to a school-hate-site is not morally and legally wrong either.
i think you should report this matter to the MOE, this is no small matter, as the principal's action is an act of tyrancy. what you write is your freedom as long as it does not hurt anyone. maybe you may also consider writting to the newspaper...make the incident known and sensationalize it by revealing the name of the school -
Like you even know.Originally posted by Dino888:Criminal intimidation. You call that criminal intimidation.
You don't even know what is criminal intimidation.
Don't go crying for help when someone threatens you with intent and you simply brush it off as " oh I deserve it, because I've been a bad kiddy" -
Imagine someone caught you for doing something bad. That guy threatened to expose you continaully and you have to provide for him and his wants.Originally posted by Dino888:Normally good advise fall on deaf ears.
Yeah Fishyang, listen to the "expert", report the case to MOE and embarass yourself.
Will you continue to do so?
I want to ask you, and woe be with you if you fail to answer at least trutufully. Are you willing to be the receiving end of threats, actions far worse than what you have initially committed?
You may say that the principal's minor "action" can turn up this kind of response. It was a minor action of releasing a policy in Communist Russia that created a huge famine -- read up on the War Communism policy, if you are willing to. It was a minor event of inspiration that led to many great creations of literature, art and improvements to our daily lives. It was a minor action of co-operating between three people, to create something for you to sit in front of -- your TV.
Criminal Intimidation is not fun. No, you won't want to receive them. It can range from "You better do this or else" to "WATCH OUT" with three or more bullets in the same envelope. There are minor forms of this but it still falls under the same category.
Many people want their rights. You cannot blame them -- I dare to challenge you that you will not tolerate a boss that works you overtime for a few hours a day for weeks and no pay you for that, and even gives you lesser for a normal working month. In fact the only people who do not want their rights are those who had no more to live in the world.
Some people like to misuse their priviledge -- purposely misbehaving when they know that they cannot be punished by the methods applying to their counterparts. That, I propose that a new method be found that could grant some power to rule. But I nor others I believe, with the possible exception of you, will not accept dictatorship in the school. Setting up Secret Police forces, instilling the same atmosphere and fear that could be felt in Singapore during the Japanese purge of "Chinese anti-Japanese" can not be physical punishment, but the next level of psychological punishment.
Psychological punishment is far more harmful than doing good. The scar remains there, taking far more time to heal or never heals at all. If you were to come across such a punishment on you and manage to come off it, I will dare say that you will not like such things to happen again. Humiliation in public is not a tool. It is an infridgement of rights -- If you try and subvert this argument, I want you to take a good look at the Abu Gharib prisoner abuse videos or photographs. If you feel that is too mild, I suggest you be isolated from the world -- your mind has hardened beyond that of the coldest criminal.
Human rights is important -- then why the protests over the photos of prisoners? The imprisoned politician in Myanmar? Human rights ensure your most basic form of protection in your daily life. Imagining being humiliated every second not only to the public but to the whole world -- how would you feel?
I am not defending the threadstarter's actions in case your meagre interpretation skills lead you astray. Yes, she cheated and so do others, by asking questions about the upcoming test. In exchange for 25 metal ruler hits? What about the not-so-recent principal forced to resign by just hitting a irl with a book? It also comes by that the sister called the triple-digit number instead of going through long procedures in MOE. I can agree that discipline in school is losing steam, but enforcement of it cannot be applied with sub-human emotions and thoughts. It is not the problem of being hit less than others but the severity of punishments. It is the same as caning a 5 year old kid because his poor colouring of a kindergarten assignment.
I stand behind the threadstarter. Cold punishments, ruling with the iron fist. Iron rusts over time. It is time for the rust to happen. -
I think there are some people who are harsh on this girl because this girl is doing the exact same thing that she deemed her principal had done to her.Originally posted by launtpc:Imagine someone caught you for doing something bad. That guy threatened to expose you continaully and you have to provide for him and his wants.
She got reported for cheating and instead of being repentent,she went to confront the person who reported her and gave her a scolding thinking this girl had done her wrong and is unfair to her (did she even think in the first place that herself cheating is unfair to other really studied and not cheating students?).That is bullying akin to what her principal is doing.
Imagine in the real world,some criminal commited a crime,then because of some technical loophole in the law system got let off with a light punishment,there upon after finishing his punishment,this criminal then confront the person who was a witness against him and do something to him.Do you see how serious such cases are?This is exactly how this girl will grow up to be if her own attitude is not changed -
Can you not deal in histrionics?Originally posted by Aveme:I think there are some people who are harsh on this girl because this girl is doing the exact same thing that she deemed her principal had done to her.
She got reported for cheating and instead of being repentent,she went to confront the person who reported her and gave her a scolding thinking this girl had done her wrong and is unfair to her (did she even think in the first place that herself cheating is unfair to other really studied and not cheating students?).That is bullying akin to what her principal is doing.
Imagine in the real world,some criminal commited a crime,then because of some technical loophole in the law system got let off with a light punishment,there upon after finishing his punishment,this criminal then confront the person who was a witness against him and do something to him.Do you see how serious such cases are?This is exactly how this girl will grow up to be if her own attitude is not changed Why stretch your mind like it's spandex.
The common disease in Singapore is to over-react and slap down anything that stands up.Shameful, utterly shameful the way so many amongst us have become control freaks and people who want to pursue punishment to the greatest extent. -
Criminial Intimidation is no 'joking' business, don't brake the law.
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did i ever said that this girl deserved the punishment she got from her principal?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Can you not deal in histrionics? Why stretch your mind like it's spandex.
The common disease in Singapore is to over-react and slap down anything that stands up.Shameful, utterly shameful the way so many amongst us have become control freaks and people who want to pursue punishment to the greatest extent.
Check back on my posts and you will see that i said that the punishment given to her (the canning) is too severe.I never said she deserved great punishment for her first cheating case or subsequent complaint case but that since she is unrepentent about her cheating and is doing exactly the same thing (bullying the person she deemed to have done wrong) her principal has done to her,then maybe she will now then should get some wake up call from MOE if she report the case.
All along,you were on the side of this girl only on what the principal has done to her,but what about what this girl has done to the girl who reported her,both are bully cases, but only the principal should be punished? -
the girl was punished for whatever she had done, and I've read through her posts, clearly you have to take into account her age, school culture and the fact that she has made a bad judgement and it has already been settled.Originally posted by Aveme:did i ever said that this girl deserved the punishment she got from her principal?
Check back on my posts and you will see that i said that the punishment given to her (the canning) is too severe.I never said she deserved great punishment for her first cheating case or subsequent complaint case but that since she is unrepentent about her cheating and is doing exactly the same thing (bullying the person she deemed to have done wrong) her principal has done to her,then maybe she will now then should get some wake up call from MOE if she report the case.
All along,you were on the side of this girl only on what the principal has done to her,but what about what this girl has done to the girl who reported her,both are bully cases, but only the principal should be punished?
Focus on the case at hand about the Principal, and tell me if the latter has overstepped her position by issuing those threats, be it veiled or unveiled?Then and only then will this be a balanced argument.
When you sentence a man, you sentence him according to the charges brought against him, nothing more, nothing less. -
gender equality, girls have the right to be punished too.
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And when they're a step above you in society will you say they owe their success to physical attractions?Originally posted by vito_corleone:gender equality, girls have the right to be punished too. -
its a known fact. beautiful women often find themselves in a privileged position when compared to men and ugly women.Originally posted by newcomer:And when they're a step above you in society will you say they owe their success to physical attractions? -
K, if you think adult case and school girl case is different. I give it to you.Originally posted by Dino888:You are the one who simply dunno how to separate the issue here.
Do you know the difference between canning and punching ?
Any by the way, we are talking about a student who commit a wrong in a school, we are talking about a kid who is taking pocket money from her parents, we are talking a kid who refused to take responsibility for her actions.
We are not talking about an adult.
We deal with kids differently as they can't think for themselves.
Just imagine, she think that cheating is fine because everybody is doing it... guess if she stay around geylang, she will think that being paid for sex is fine as "everybody" is doing it.
She is just a toad in a well, wait till she sees the world.
The ISSUE and QUESTION at hand is,
Was the punishment given disproportionate to the offence committed?
Did the punishment breach any prescribed guidelines as set by MOE?
This is as easy as that.
IT is not even a question of if she deserved the punishment given.
SHE DID WRONG and NEEDS to be punished. But was punishment too harsh or even "illegal" in this context?
You don't get expelled for not handing work on time.
Although I feel mass cheating deserves punishment like suspension, caning or even expulsion. I do not see due process was awarded to fishyang. -
It's not a known fact, just some stereotypical statements from some disgruntled people.Originally posted by vito_corleone:its a known fact. beautiful women often find themselves in a privileged position when compared to men and ugly women. -
no one can cane a gal as it's a disgrace. only your parents ahve the rightsOriginally posted by fishyang:Last year i was involved in mass cheating in my class and i went to scold the girl who reported us. I was sec 2 then. Then that day i also went home and blogged about this incident, lamenting over my rotten luck but i did not mention any names or hints of who i was refering to.
The next day my principal called me to the office and scolded me becasue a parent had complained to her about what i wrote. I had also linked the school hate website in one entry and said that it was wrong of people to write such stuff about the school and i agreed about the lockers being small. Then she accused me for being anti-fairfield
Then she whacked me using a metal ruler 25 times in front of two classes until my hand skin tear and bled. It was also the mid year exams period and i could not write properly. the swollening of my hands also affected my joints. The pain did not fade for two months until august when the wrist was sort of disconnected from the joint asnd i had to wear a cast. (my vb playing made it worse)
My princiapal also whacked a few other students but their injuries were not as serious as mine. She told us taht she did not want to hear any parents complain. Isnt it a form of threatening????
Are female students allowed to be caned in school publicly???
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hey people. sorry my daddy wants me to delete this forum becos he says i will stir up more trouble.
pls email me if u have further enquiries
thanks you for yr support
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What? You're not even entitled to the rights of internet privacy?
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her dad is jus afriad that this thread would b featured in the news like last time there is one such incident where the principal jus slighly tap a gal's head with a book and that principal resign due to the media and stuffOriginally posted by newcomer:What? You're not even entitled to the rights of internet privacy? -
yes as per my post on this topic,i have stated that the principal gave too severe a punishment and should be punished for her part separately.But at the same time when she report the case to MOE,MOE should also take into account that this student is unrepentent about cheating and think nothing is wrong about it,just that she was unlucky to be caught,if so she should be put under some list to be watched over when she take her O Levels as such unrepentent students are likely to resort to cheating again.Originally posted by LazerLordz:the girl was punished for whatever she had done, and I've read through her posts, clearly you have to take into account her age, school culture and the fact that she has made a bad judgement and it has already been settled.
Focus on the case at hand about the Principal, and tell me if the latter has overstepped her position by issuing those threats, be it veiled or unveiled?Then and only then will this be a balanced argument.
When you sentence a man, you sentence him according to the charges brought against him, nothing more, nothing less.
Also about her bad judgement,it is not settled if she is unrepentent and confronted the whistle blower.Even if a "punishment" was given (bear in mind that a punishment should be given in the hope that the person being punished learnt from it),but in this case it shows that she has learnt nothing from it and still dare to confront the girl and bully her,she said that she scolded this girl,but god knows if she has done something more to result in this girl's parents coming to the school and launched a complain,so as per the principal should be punished,the threadstarter should also be reviewed by MOE on her case -
use the media to your advantage.Originally posted by FBI:her dad is jus afriad that this thread would b featured in the news like last time there is one such incident where the principal jus slighly tap a gal's head with a book and that principal resign due to the media and stuff
this is what the new world is about, media spin. He who controls the tap of information, can kill a career.
Better not play with these chaps. -
i wonder how her dad get to know she post in the forum ah?
Don't tell me she go to him.
"Pa, people in internet say i can complain to MOE." -
Unrepentent? What? Is there a mention of her cheating again?Originally posted by Aveme:yes as per my post on this topic,i have stated that the principal gave too severe a punishment and should be punished for her part separately.But at the same time when she report the case to MOE,MOE should also take into account that this student is unrepentent about cheating and think nothing is wrong about it,just that she was unlucky to be caught,if so she should be put under some list to be watched over when she take her O Levels as such unrepentent students are likely to resort to cheating again.
Also about her bad judgement,it is not settled if she is unrepentent and confronted the whistle blower.Even if a "punishment" was given (bear in mind that a punishment should be given in the hope that the person being punished learnt from it),but in this case it shows that she has learnt nothing from it and still dare to confront the girl and bully her,she said that she scolded this girl,but god knows if she has done something more to result in this girl's parents coming to the school and launched a complain,so as per the principal should be punished,the threadstarter should also be reviewed by MOE on her case -
i believe watever the sch had done for u is for your own good. I know i had whine when i am still in sec sch too but when i went into a diff institue i found out that all the things they had done is for my own goodOriginally posted by LazerLordz:use the media to your advantage.
this is what the new world is about, media spin. He who controls the tap of information, can kill a career.
Better not play with these chaps.