Malaysia Not Building Bridge Anymore
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Yep Malaysia can say all they want, for ships to cross blah blah blah.Originally posted by yongyong:if the bridge is built, singapore will lost many business. eg, the shipyard, the marine field... thats y malaysia one to built the bridge to gain the business... and singapore dun wan to build the bridge so that they wun lose monopoly on those marine business....
That where you are wrong. If you understand the straits, it is too narrow at some point and too shallow at low tides to even handle big ships, thus it can only handle small amount of traffic at limited hours only. Frankly it will benefit only small boats like pleasure craft and fishing boats. Don't expect to see big ship sailling through -
You believe when they say our RSAF planes flying over Johore airspace causes their durian quality and quantity to drop ?Originally posted by Fatum:alamak ... you may be right .... they kenna snookered ! ....
that's why they were making so much noise about the reclaimation eh .... it's not about the livelihood of some poor fishermen afterall eh .... 
haha.. they also give lame illogical " reasons"
Dun forget, MM LKY is a lawyer.
Probably why they gave up the idea of the bridge is they now then realised, even if got London style of draw bridge, big vessels like VLCC, also cannot pass thru. So whats the point of it.
The news reported that, they may be considering to restart the bridge project in the future . hahah.. what the heck. This time round the politicians haven earn enough from the writing off the the 100million. Still want to pull off the same stunt again.
At least use another stunt when they want to " write off another 100 million. "
Eg, Oh , we want to build the undersea train system from KL to Kota Kinabalu in Sabah to facilitate the business environment...
And after they starts digging 100 under the sea, blame it on the RSN submarine , "The RSN submarines keep travelling in the South China Sea and we are disturbed, cannot carry on., need to write off the 1billion Rm we had spent so far..." -
Hmm... i still think we should discuss the topic as per what was reported. and not suddenly talk about singapore superior than malaysia la... malaysia politicians gaining money from the write offs la... cutting water supplies la... i mean come on, i really don see the need to actually comment negatively about their actions. im sure they have their own agenda going around. who knows...our government might be involve as well. deep in our heart...we just cant see our malaysian counterparts more successful than us. right? its just sad that singaporeans are becoming more irrationale about what they blurt out. ive yet to see sum1 actually applauded malaysia gov to retain and reaffirm our ties together with them. their decision has led both countries one less problem to work out. but none has praise malaysia for doing it. instead... we make a mockery of their decision. our gov has secrets. so has theirs. if we have military classified infos....so do they. if we have high paying peanuts politicians....so do they.... they have an ex pm who ruled with an iron fist.... so do we... in fact ours is much worst...he brought the entire family running the country. so please... respect one another. its no good to think negatively of our neighbours... ok..?
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i think it will be funnier if Singapore let malaysia built their half of the bridge,
then after thier half is finished we just demolish ours and take own sweet time to build our half.... or not build at all.
just wondering.. the Tuas bridge is a half-half project or entirely malaysia?
because during the August months, malaysia flags and banners were put up all the way to just before snigapore checkpoint. -
i agree with you. both countries have its own problems.Originally posted by mhcampboy:Hmm... i still think we should discuss the topic as per what was reported. and not suddenly talk about singapore superior than malaysia la... malaysia politicians gaining money from the write offs la... cutting water supplies la... i mean come on, i really don see the need to actually comment negatively about their actions. im sure they have their own agenda going around. who knows...our government might be involve as well. deep in our heart...we just cant see our malaysian counterparts more successful than us. right? its just sad that singaporeans are becoming more irrationale about what they blurt out. ive yet to see sum1 actually applauded malaysia gov to retain and reaffirm our ties together with them. their decision has led both countries one less problem to work out. but none has praise malaysia for doing it. instead... we make a mockery of their decision. our gov has secrets. so has theirs. if we have military classified infos....so do they. if we have high paying peanuts politicians....so do they.... they have an ex pm who ruled with an iron fist.... so do we... in fact ours is much worst...he brought the entire family running the country. so please... respect one another. its no good to think negatively of our neighbours... ok..? -
If you have read today's ST, you would have seen the decision was based on legal grounds
Clearly, they know if they have weaker grounds based on the UN ruling -
They also claimed to have been aware of the possible legal implications when the proposal to build the half-bridge was first mooted.Originally posted by sbst275:If you have read today's ST, you would have seen the decision was based on legal grounds
Clearly, they know if they have weaker grounds based on the UN ruling
Which begs the question: if they had already known about the possible legal issues, why had they gone ahead with building it anyway?
When we reclaim land at Tekong, and they claim that we need their cooperation and take us to the ICJ over this. The ICJ rules stating that any projects affecting the marine environment in the Johor Straits must be conducted bilaterally, ie, any project done by one side must have the blessings of the other. Fair enough.
Then they say that building the half-bridge is their business and we should have no say it in - talk about cynicism, man.
And now they're scared about the possible legal implications of going it alone without us - legal implications which they brought upon themselves by taking us to the ICJ!
They didn't shoot themselves in the foot, brudder.... they laid out a landmine and stepped on it! -
i think it was initially funded by them, and we gotta pay up or something... read about it somewhere, correct if i am wrong...Originally posted by Ponders:i think it will be funnier if Singapore let malaysia built their half of the bridge,
then after thier half is finished we just demolish ours and take own sweet time to build our half.... or not build at all.
just wondering.. the Tuas bridge is a half-half project or entirely malaysia?
because during the August months, malaysia flags and banners were put up all the way to just before snigapore checkpoint. -
There is a Cantonese saying which goes.."Lurn To Ju Nao..."
Also another one whose meaning is "dead chicken still wanna kick the rice pot cover..." -
Originally posted by CPL:There is a Cantonese saying which goes.."Lurn To Ju Nao..."
Also another one whose meaning is "dead chicken still wanna kick the rice pot cover..." -
Originally posted by mhcampboy: Our SM is very understanding.
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for goodness sake,,
stop discusing it anymroe.. -
the second link, the 2 countries built the bridge up till the international boundary line at the straits, but because singapore's segment is very short (10% or so), ended up they built the majority of the bridge itself.Originally posted by Ponders:just wondering.. the Tuas bridge is a half-half project or entirely malaysia?
because during the August months, malaysia flags and banners were put up all the way to just before snigapore checkpoint. -
i am sad that u all sad sack of losers are just so narrow minded in all this shiet.. u guys talk like koreans.. like how koreans think they are superior above all other asians.*yawn* everyone once again... its ' Oh MALAYSIANS... cannot be trusted' 'OH MALAYSIANS SO DUMB' 'OH>> MALAYSIANS FUKED UP' ... FUK U ALL LA!! CIBAI LAMPA! SAY SO MUCH! IN INTERNET TOK SO MUCH COK! CIIBAI CAU NI MA! SO WTF THEY SCREW UP N U CONDEMN US ALL LIKE WE SAME PIECES OF SHIET LIKE THEM! ALL go NS until SIAW! Training tell u to point ur guns at Malaysia doesnt mean u fuk us like we some sub-fuking species! talk so much bs.. talk about developed country with broader minds.. lampa... nei yu.. while u poor @$$ losers bitch n moan.. i go there do my duty to fuk all ur biatches!
beh song man...
sibeh beh song everytime see this bullshiet. beh tahan today have to say something. -
Nah, majority of us have nothing against Msian civilians. Heck alot of us have Msian relatives, although i don't.Originally posted by BadzMaro:i am sad that u all sad sack of losers are just so narrow minded in all this shiet.. u guys talk like koreans.. like how koreans think they are superior above all other asians.*yawn* everyone once again... its ' Oh MALAYSIANS... cannot be trusted' 'OH MALAYSIANS SO DUMB' 'OH>> MALAYSIANS FUKED UP' ... FUK U ALL LA!! CIBAI LAMPA! SAY SO MUCH! IN INTERNET TOK SO MUCH COK! CIIBAI CAU NI MA! SO WTF THEY SCREW UP N U CONDEMN US ALL LIKE WE SAME PIECES OF SHIET LIKE THEM! ALL go NS until SIAW! Training tell u to point ur guns at Malaysia doesnt mean u fuk us like we some sub-fuking species! talk so much bs.. talk about developed country with broader minds.. lampa... nei yu.. while u poor @$$ losers bitch n moan.. i go there do my duty to fuk all ur biatches!
beh song man...
sibeh beh song everytime see this bullshiet. beh tahan today have to say something.
We just find the Msian politicians' decision making process amusing, thats all.
So does it means that you do not need to serve NS ?
On student pass or work permit ?
If things are so rosy at the other side of the causeway, why bother to study/work on this side ??
since you brought up your last pt , I know more of Msian gals studying->working-> end up marrying Sporeans man than Sporean women marrying Msian men,
I'm not targetting you, but stating facts, hope you will not have any hard feelings. -
Anyway, this decision is expected. This is a good sign that under the new Premier's leadership, They are starting to make logical decisons.
Instead of taking effort to outdo each other, we should be cooperating to enhance the economic environment in the whole region. Something like the other version of the tortise and hare story. ( hare carry tortise and run, tortise carry hare to swim across the river ). Asean still have a long way to go.
Its a fact that Msian labour contributed to our economy , and one also cannot deny the fact that Msia service industry also needed our tourism $$ very much.
This is just a minor issue
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Malaysia Has Right To Relocate Pipelines To Singapore - Dr M
JOHOR BAHARU, April 15 (Bernama) -- Malaysia has the right under its agreement with Singapore to relocate the pipelines supplying water to the island for specified reasons but only after giving about six months notice, said former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad.
He said the provision for relocation was proven valid because Malaysia had relocated the Singapore pipelines on land during the construction of the new road and railway station for the Integrated Southern Gateway project.
"So, if they (Singapore) say (the relocation of the pipelines) constitutes an 'act of war', it is totally unreasonable," he told a news conference after making a visit to the new Customs, Immigration and Quarantine (CIQ) complex here Saturday.
The complex was planned as part of the RM2.5 billion Integrated Southern Gateway which was to have included a bridge to replace the causeway linking Johor to Singapore.
Accompanying him on the visit were Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman, CIQ contractor Gerbang Perdana Sdn Bhd managing director Datuk Yahya Jalil, its chairman Tan Sri Razali Ismail and leaders of Barisan Nasional parties in the state.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi on Wednesday announced that Malaysia had dropped plans to build a half-bridge to replace the Malaysian section of the causeway and would cease all negotiations on the project with Singapore.
Abdullah cited legal implications and strong public sentiments against Singapore's demands for the supply of sand for the republic's reclamation programme and allowing its jet fighters to use Malaysia's air space in exchange for its agreement to build a full bridge.
Dr Mahathir said the issue of the water pipelines had been studied carefully by the government during his administration as he was personally involved in the implementation of the Integrated Southern Gateway project from its beginning.
"We know where we stand (on the pipelines)," he said, adding that the agreement even required Singapore to be fully responsible for the cost of any relocation of the pipelines.
He said that if the present administration was unsure about the provisions of the agreement, it could refer the agreement to either the Malaysian or international courts for a ruling.
"That was the case with the Sipadan and Ligitan islands (off the east coast of Sabah once claimed by both Malaysia and Indonesia), where we took it to the World Court and they ruled it belongs to us and this was accepted by Indonesia," he said.
According to him, Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar recently acknowledged that the World Court might favour Malaysia on the issue of relocating the pipelines.
Dr Mahathir said Malaysians, particularly those living in Johor, only rejected the conditions set by Singapore and not the construction of the bridge.
"The people certainly do not agree with the two conditions but this does not mean they do not agree with building a crooked bridge," he said.
He suggested that a referendum be held to determine the views of the Johor people regarding the government's decision to cancel the crooked bridge project.
"Let me say it frankly that I do not agree with the government's view that the people do not want the crooked bridge," he added.
Asked to comment on Singapore Foreign Minister George Yeo's remark that the question of who won and who lost did not arise in the decision by Malaysia to cancel the bridge project, Dr Mahathir said: "Singapore will surely think it did not win but Malaysia lost."
On how he felt after his visit to the Integrated Southern Gateway project and the cancellation of the bridge project, he said it was something that greatly saddened him.
"I am hiding my sadness because if I were to cry like I did when I announced my resignation (as Prime Minister at the Umno General Assembly in 2002), I will embarrass you (reporters). So, I laugh.
"This is because I cannot believe that before I die -- and I do not know how long I have left as I am already 80 years old -- the sovereignty of our country can be violated so easily. We retreated as if we surrendered our land to others," he said.
Dr Mahathir said in the issue of the bridge Malaysia had lost a little of its independence because it was unable to do something like building a road and bridge in a place within its own territory.
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This fella still do not get it. Going by this statement of this, he is also saying that, Spore had lost a little of our Independence because we were unable to do something like reclaiming within our own territory . No ?Originally posted by sbst275:[b]
Dr Mahathir said in the issue of the bridge Malaysia had lost a little of its independence because it was unable to do something like building a road and bridge in a place within its own territory.
-- BERNAMA 15/04/06
Anyway he had just proven himself once again. -
NahOriginally posted by pufferfish_79:This fella still do not get it. Going by this statement of this, he is also saying that, Spore had lost a little of our Independence because we were unable to do something like reclaiming within our own territory . No ?
Anyway he had just proven himself once again.
Cos bashing SG goes well to the ppl there
But he can say he had thought of it, but he say SG also has to pay for moving the pipes... Very simple, if we are not going to pay, he can dun need to rant that 3 sen per 1000 gallon theory.. -
Was trying to follow his logic..because they dun want to sell us the sand, the crooked bridge project is scrapped, so now, "Spore had lost a little of our Independence because we were unable to do something like reclaiming within our own territory" since we cannot buy the sand from Malaysia..No..??Originally posted by pufferfish_79:This fella still do not get it. Going by this statement of this, he is also saying that, Spore had lost a little of our Independence because we were unable to do something like reclaiming within our own territory . No ?
Anyway he had just proven himself once again.
If the above is the case, I would suggest Dr M goes back to kindergarten.. behaving like children..maybe he is senile already, 80 yrs old.. -
pls lah.. be fair ok...Originally posted by pufferfish_79:Nah, majority of us have nothing against Msian civilians. Heck alot of us have Msian relatives, although i don't.
We just find the Msian politicians' decision making process amusing, thats all.
So does it means that you do not need to serve NS ?
On student pass or work permit ?
If things are so rosy at the other side of the causeway, why bother to study/work on this side ??
since you brought up your last pt , I know more of Msian gals studying->working-> end up marrying Sporeans man than Sporean women marrying Msian men,
I'm not targetting you, but stating facts, hope you will not have any hard feelings.
msian gals marrying singaproen man
why you have to bring up such a controversial topic...
you said you have fact, please stat your source...
otherwise, you are just flaming.....
sometimes, m'sia also find our government amusing...
give progressive package to every singaporean but say no money to help out NKF patients ... etc ... -
Not bcos we cannot buy sand from them,but bcos of the incident when they refer Spore's reclaimation in the Johore Straits to the ICJ. In the same perspective, the Bridge issue will be the same outcome if referred to the ICJ. The Msian politicians are aware of the likely outcome, thats why they aborted the idea now. The buying of sand , is not that important a issue.Originally posted by CPL:Was trying to follow his logic..because they dun want to sell us the sand, the crooked bridge project is scrapped, so now, "Spore had lost a little of our Independence because we were unable to do something like reclaiming within our own territory" since we cannot buy the sand from Malaysia..No..??
Btw, the northern neighbour ain't the only supplier for sand. We can , and are looking south for that. -
but then batam also face black black when we want to buy sand from them...
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Nah, the " controversial topic " was in response to this :Originally posted by Glen999:pls lah.. be fair ok...
msian gals marrying singaproen man
why you have to bring up such a controversial topic...
Someone wanted to do his country proud , but I just stated that , there are in fact more of his country women marrying spore men ,after getting their education and started their career here , than spore women marrying his country men...Originally posted by BadzMaro:lampa... nei yu.. while u poor @$$ losers bitch n moan.. i go there do my duty to fuk all ur biatches!
beh song man...
sibeh beh song everytime see this bullshiet. beh tahan today have to say something.
I do not intend to ruined this bridge thread by going into the " controversial topic " I have msian ex-classmates, friends and colleagues too. They are a wonderful and hardworking group of associates
I do not have the intention to belittle our northern neighbour, in fact, i avocate for cooperation with them for the economic benefit of the entire region. The hare and tortise story.And also Life will be better when there are cooperation than when there's lack of it.
I apologise if anyone felt insulted over my previous posts.
Anyway, sometimes, even myself also cannot understand our own gahmen. -
Originally posted by pufferfish_79:
I just want to point out above is not a definite "+" point for singapore. That's why it's controversial topic.
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Someone wanted to do his country proud , but I just stated that , there are in fact more of his country women marrying spore men ,after getting their education and started their career here , than spore women marrying his country men...
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There are many malaysians working in my company (around 30-50). My company is in CBD. My singapore collegues (including myself) prefer malaysia women. and of coz, talked to my malaysia buddies in the same company, they say they prefer malaysia girlfriends. So, i guess singapore men marry malaysia girls outnumber...