God belongs to whom?
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but i thought i just told u in my previous reply. we as muslims make supplications to Allah everyday, to guide us to His straight path, that our prayers and ibadahs (acts of worship) are accepted by Him, we thank Him with whatever that He may give us, good or bad, we know that it comes from Allah. to quote one of the Prophets companions sayings, he said that `when i wake up in the morning, i do not worry about what is good or what is bad, because i don't know what is good or what is bad for me, only Allah knows.Originally posted by casino_king:Based on your understanding of Allah, how do you think God will respond?
and when we pray for something, and something else happens like to use my previous example, we ask Allah for help financially, and then suddenly we fell sick and can't go to work, which means we don't get paid for that day how can that be?? but Allah in all His Wisdom made u sick because maybe if u had gone to work that day, something bad may happen to you. either way whatever Allah gives us...we say `alhamdulillah' (thanks to Allah). -
I mean how will God respond to the non Muslim who cries out to God - according to your beliefs. Will God respond since God does not belong to anybody and according to the Holy Quran there is only one God?Originally posted by OneDoubleManTayar:but i thought i just told u in my previous reply. we as muslims make supplications to Allah everyday, to guide us to His straight path, that our prayers and ibadahs (acts of worship) are accepted by Him, we thank Him with whatever that He may give us, good or bad, we know that it comes from Allah. to quote one of the Prophets companions sayings, he said that `when i wake up in the morning, i do not worry about what is good or what is bad, because i don't know what is good or what is bad for me, only Allah knows.
and when we pray for something, and something else happens like to use my previous example, we ask Allah for help financially, and then suddenly we fell sick and can't go to work, which means we don't get paid for that day how can that be?? but Allah in all His Wisdom made u sick because maybe if u had gone to work that day, something bad may happen to you. either way whatever Allah gives us...we say `alhamdulillah' (thanks to Allah). -
this brings us to another attribute of Allah for which He is the Ar-Rahman, which means The Compassionate, which reminds people of His mercy, of the fact that His act of affecting goodness and rewards reach whomsoever He pleases, thus warding off evil from them.Originally posted by casino_king:I mean how will God respond to the non Muslim who cries out to God - according to your beliefs. Will God respond since God does not belong to anybody and according to the Holy Quran there is only one God?
Allah knows best. -
Originally posted by OneDoubleManTayar:
Sounds very reasonable to me. Jews and the Muslims pray to God and it is all up to God then, right?
this brings us to another attribute of Allah for which He is the Ar-Rahman, which means The Compassionate, which reminds people of His mercy, of the fact that [b]His act of affecting goodness and rewards reach whomsoever He pleases, thus warding off evil from them.
Allah knows best.[/b] -
yup that's right...jews, christians, muslims pray to the same one God, and it's up to Him to do what He wills...Originally posted by casino_king:Sounds very reasonable to me. Jews and the Muslims pray to God and it is all up to God then, right?
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This is the beliefof all the Muslims in the world? Do you have any links in www for us?Originally posted by OneDoubleManTayar:yup that's right...jews, christians, muslims pray to the same one God, and it's up to Him to do what He wills...
Allah knows best -
yup...u can try this site http://www.todayislam.com/. it's one of the sites i most frequent to and it explains Islam in plain simple english.Originally posted by casino_king:This is the beliefof all the Muslims in the world? Do you have any links in www for us? -
Thanks, much appreciated.Originally posted by OneDoubleManTayar:yup...u can try this site http://www.todayislam.com/. it's one of the sites i most frequent to and it explains Islam in plain simple english.
As a Muslim, you pray to God but do Muslims expect God to guide them directly? Do they "hear" God speaking to them? Do they expect to "hear" God speaking to them?
Or is Islam, only to strictly follow what is written in the Quran and there is no direct 2 way communication with Allah? What do you think? -
Muslims believe that everything that comes our way is from Allah, and though we may not always understand the wisdom behind it, what `directs' us or `guides' us when presented with the choices that we make everyday, are the rulings that we understand from Islam. depending on whether it's halal (allowed), haram (forbidden), harus (encouraged) or makhruh (disliked).Originally posted by casino_king:As a Muslim, you pray to God but do Muslims expect God to guide them directly? Do they "hear" God speaking to them? Do they expect to "hear" God speaking to them?
Or is Islam, only to strictly follow what is written in the Quran and there is no direct 2 way communication with Allah? What do you think?
in Islam we follow the Quran and the Sunnah (actions) of prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and in our solat (5 daily prayers) we have direct communication with Allah. we don't have to go to a priest or holy man or ustaz or a dead person in the grave. -
That which is allowed or disallowed would change with time wouldn't it? Man progress and gains new knowledge all the time and what used to be avoided or accepted; with new knowledge and understanding should change?Originally posted by OneDoubleManTayar:Muslims believe that everything that comes our way is from Allah, and though we may not always understand the wisdom behind it, what `directs' us or `guides' us when presented with the choices that we make everyday, are the rulings that we understand from Islam. depending on whether it's halal (allowed), haram (forbidden), harus (encouraged) or makhruh (disliked).
in Islam we follow the Quran and the Sunnah (actions) of prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and in our solat (5 daily prayers) we have direct communication with Allah. we don't have to go to a priest or holy man or ustaz or a dead person in the grave. -
Dear friends,
Evil is abound in this forum. Our Lord Jesus sacrificed himself for the betterment of mankind and I want to spread the good news to everyone.
My message to them is: Abandon your demonic practice and embrace God's Grace, repent and you can still be saved.
Sincerely
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=191792 -
yes...but there are 2 categories here...worldly affairs/issues and worship (ibadah) issues.Originally posted by casino_king:That which is allowed or disallowed would change with time wouldn't it? Man progress and gains new knowledge all the time and what used to be avoided or accepted; with new knowledge and understanding should change?
the first one, worldly affairs, how we live our everyday lives, the rulings may be changed from time to time. but we cannot change it as how we like it. this must be done by the muslim scholars who have studied the deen (religion)extensively...they are the ones who are qualified to make the fatwas (rulings). one very easy example would be when the Prophet (pbuh) travels in his time, he used to ride camels or horses, so why don't we Muslims today follow the method? because the Prophet traveled using the best method of conveyance during his time, so we should use the best method during our time.
the second one would be the ibadah (acts of worship). this we cannot add to nor can we subtract from. all examples are shown by the prophet and he specificaly said to perform it as to how he does it, no more, no less. the only difference is whether it's wajib (obligatory) or sunnah (recommended).
basically a good way to sum up the above is...everything in this world is halal (allowed) for the Muslims, unless there is a daleel (evidence) to proof otherwise. but in terms of ibadah (worship), everything is haram (forbidden) for the Muslims, unless the is eveidence (from the prophet) that allows it. -
All religion have practices that are stepping stones to the ultimate and that is Faith in God. You cannot classify these practices as Evil. In your own religion, if you hold on to your beliefs and practices and fail to put your Faith in God, then you are no better that the seekers you criticise and judge to be evil.Originally posted by Baptist:Dear friends,
Evil is abound in this forum. Our Lord Jesus sacrificed himself for the betterment of mankind and I want to spread the good news to everyone.
My message to them is: Abandon your demonic practice and embrace God's Grace, repent and you can still be saved.
Sincerely
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=191792
Have Faith in God and you will never be sacred of evil. You are so scared because you have no Faith in God. Have Faith in God and understand that you are not God and have no right to judge what is good and evil. Who do you think you are for you to presume that you understand GOOD and EVIL? (Quote taken from Joan of Arc) Are you God? Judge yourself first my friend, oh sorry my mistake, you do not have the competence: "Put your Faith in God and let God judge you." -
Why do you sound so logical but in the practice of Islam, we see Muslims have violent protests over what to non Muslims look like inconsequential things?Originally posted by OneDoubleManTayar:yes...but there are 2 categories here...worldly affairs/issues and worship (ibadah) issues.
the first one, worldly affairs, how we live our everyday lives, the rulings may be changed from time to time. but we cannot change it as how we like it. this must be done by the muslim scholars who have studied the deen (religion)extensively...they are the ones who are qualified to make the fatwas (rulings). one very easy example would be when the Prophet (pbuh) travels in his time, he used to ride camels or horses, so why don't we Muslims today follow the method? because the Prophet traveled using the best method of conveyance during his time, so we should use the best method during our time.
the second one would be the ibadah (acts of worship). this we cannot add to nor can we subtract from. all examples are shown by the prophet and he specificaly said to perform it as to how he does it, no more, no less. the only difference is whether it's wajib (obligatory) or sunnah (recommended).
basically a good way to sum up the above is...everything in this world is halal (allowed) for the Muslims, unless there is a daleel (evidence) to proof otherwise. but in terms of ibadah (worship), everything is haram (forbidden) for the Muslims, unless the is eveidence (from the prophet) that allows it. -
You must be referring to those cartoons..Originally posted by casino_king:Why do you sound so logical but in the practice of Islam, we see Muslims have violent protests over what to non Muslims look like inconsequential things?
..sensitive issue here..let's leave it to the Muslim abangs to respond.
But looking at it from my point of view as a Christian, God is Almighty, He does not need us to defend Him in violence. He only want us to love goodness and walk humbly with Him in our lives so that we can be His effective witnesses..
Christ in the Garden of Gethsamane rebuked Peter when he took his sword to cut off the ear of one of the Roman soldiers when they came to arrest Him... violence begets violence..live by the sword and die by the sword.. -
Not just the cartoons, the headscarves?Originally posted by CPL:You must be referring to those cartoons.. ..sensitive issue here..let's leave it to the Muslim abangs to respond.
But looking at it from my point of view as a Christian, God is Almighty, He does not need us to defend Him in violence. He only want us to love goodness and walk humbly with Him in our lives so that we can be His effective witnesses..
Christ in the Garden of Gethsamane rebuked Peter when he took his sword to cut off the ear of one of the Roman soldiers when they came to arrest Him... violence begets violence..live by the sword and die by the sword..
A Muslim in another post said that Islam accepts that Judaism; Christianty and Islam all worship Allah and it is up to God how God wants to deal with all of them and it is none of the business of Islam and Muslims. How's that for size? -
hehheh..good one..Originally posted by casino_king:Not just the cartoons, the headscarves?
A Muslim in another post said that Islam accepts that Judaism; Christianty and Islam all worship Allah and it is up to God how God wants to deal with all of them and it is none of the business of Islam and Muslims. How's that for size?
There is no perfect religion...whether Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc...every dude is trying to interpret in his finite (limited) mind what is "God"..and do the things that he/she is taught by the priests, clerics, rabbis etc...everyone is trying to reach out to "God" in his own way..so that we look good to our "God"..
How can we as mere humans full of sin hope to reach out to Him, a 100% holy God..? No way. So God has to reach out to us in the form of Christ. He is both man and God so He knows our struggles in this life and He died as a perfect and sinless man on the cross. This is the only perfect sacrifice acceptable to God which pays for all the sins (past, present & future) of those who believe in Christ.
For Christianity, God said - all our "works" (trying to be holy & religious, do things that we think is pleasing to God etc) are like filthy rags - a real interpretation is "filthy rags" - those used by women during their period..there can never be anything more filthy. According to a Jew, the Old Testament mentioned "filthy rags" in the book of Iasiah, these rags are really physically and religiously "filthy"..
So God also says we have to go to Him and be cleansed...by the blood of Christ shed on the cross..whether we believe this or not is up to us..it's a one-to-one relationship between each one of us and Him. At the end of the day. when it's time to report to the CO..we stand in front of Him and hope to hear these words "Well done, good and faithful servant...enter into the joy of the Lord.."
Coming back to what you have mentioned, the Muslim is right when he said that God will deal with us individually as Muslim, Christian or Jew... -
those who do good are the ones that GOD will allow into his Kingdom, Jesus is one good example.Originally posted by casino_king:or Christianity?
or Hinduism?
or Buddhists who believe in God?
or Jews who happen to believe in the same idea of God as Muslims?
Those who do evil belongs to the DEVIL.
There is only one God and one Devil.
so, it does not matter which religion you have, what matters are your deeds. -
the statement u made has some contradictions in it. if the Muslims were really doing what Islam tells them to do, then we wouldn't see the `violence' that we see in the media today. then again there's also the sensationalisation of the media to make things sell, but i don't wanna touch on that.Originally posted by casino_king:Why do you sound so logical but in the practice of Islam, we see Muslims have violent protests over what to non Muslims look like inconsequential things? -
It is very strange that you say: ...every dude is trying to interpret in his finite (limited) mind what is "God".Originally posted by CPL:hehheh..good one..
There is no perfect religion...whether Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc...every dude is trying to interpret in his finite (limited) mind what is "God"..and do the things that he/she is taught by the priests, clerics, rabbis etc...everyone is trying to reach out to "God" in his own way..so that we look good to our "God"..
How can we as mere humans full of sin hope to reach out to Him, a 100% holy God..? No way. So God has to reach out to us in the form of Christ. He is both man and God so He knows our struggles in this life and He died as a perfect and sinless man on the cross. This is the only perfect sacrifice acceptable to God which pays for all the sins (past, present & future) of those who believe in Christ.
For Christianity, God said - all our "works" (trying to be holy & religious, do things that we think is pleasing to God etc) are like filthy rags - a real interpretation is "filthy rags" - those used by women during their period..there can never be anything more filthy. According to a Jew, the Old Testament mentioned "filthy rags" in the book of Iasiah, these rags are really physically and religiously "filthy"..
So God also says we have to go to Him and be cleansed...by the blood of Christ shed on the cross..whether we believe this or not is up to us..it's a one-to-one relationship between each one of us and Him. At the end of the day. when it's time to report to the CO..we stand in front of Him and hope to hear these words "Well done, good and faithful servant...enter into the joy of the Lord.."
Coming back to what you have mentioned, the Muslim is right when he said that God will deal with us individually as Muslim, Christian or Jew...
Just after acknowledging that you then go on to describe God as:
"a 100% holy God... "
"the only perfect sacrifice acceptable to God "
"all our "works" (trying to be holy & religious, do things that we think is pleasing to God etc) are like filthy rags "
"God also says we have to go to Him and be cleansed"
"we stand in front of Him and hope to hear these words "Well done, good and faithful servant...enter into the joy of the Lord.."
You have created an idol in your own finite head, having presumed to know God. This idol in your own head is as real as stone statues you see in various temples.
So put your Faith in God. God, that no finite human mind can intepret or comprehend. -
Let me quote from Joan of Arc: "Who are you to presume that you know what Good and Evil are?"Originally posted by J1N2T3:those who do good are the ones that GOD will allow into his Kingdom, Jesus is one good example.
Those who do evil belongs to the DEVIL.
There is only one God and one Devil.
so, it does not matter which religion you have, what matters are your deeds.
"Who are you to presume that you know God and Devil?"
so, it does not matter which religion you have, put you Faith in God. There are many idols, many manifestations of God; don't have Faith in Idols. There is but one God so you can never go wrong. -
Fair enough that you do not want to touch on that.Originally posted by OneDoubleManTayar:the statement u made has some contradictions in it. if the Muslims were really doing what Islam tells them to do, then we wouldn't see the `violence' that we see in the media today. then again there's also the sensationalisation of the media to make things sell, but i don't wanna touch on that.
My statement does not have the contradictions; I was pointing out the contradictions.
On the one hand you say that Islam is peaceful, tolerant and it is up to God to decide and not Muslims. On the other hand I see violence committed in the name of Allah - so I see contradictions.
For the media to sensationalise something, that something nevertheless must happen first.
Why do Muslims not condenm the violence done in the name of Allah? Has it anything to do with not willing to say anything bad about fellow Muslims? -
Originally posted by casino_king:
I told you Jesus is a good example.
so, it does not matter which religion you have, put you Faith in God. There are many idols, many manifestations of God; don't have Faith in Idols. There is but one God so you can never go wrong.[/b]
Well, you can keep all the faith in God and go on killing or murders and think that God you receive you in Heaven, you can continue to paint your picture. -
Originally posted by J1N2T3:
Without Faith in God you have many concepts about God. All concepts of God are inadequate they are all idols whether the idol has been cast in stone or remains in your head. Every concept of God is an idol of God. A mortal will never be able to understand Good and Evil. You can see consequences of your actions (good and evil) only in the limited time frame that you have been given.
I told you Jesus is a good example.
Well, you can keep all the faith in God and go on killing or murders and think that God you receive you in Heaven, you can continue to paint your picture.
I note that you are speaking of Good and Evil in terms of eternity... ("God you receive you in Heaven" ) and I ask you again:
"Who are you to presume that you know what Good and Evil are?"
"Who are you to presume that you know God and Devil?" -
Originally posted by casino_king:
On the one hand you say that Islam is peaceful, tolerant and it is up to God to decide and not Muslims. On the other hand I see violence committed in the name of Allah - so I see contradictions.
granted. perhaps i should've have put it in another way. Allah has revealed to us the perfect way of life, i.e. Islam. but what u see on tv are Muslims making mistakes because that;s where we are down to being humans.For the media to sensationalise something, that something nevertheless must happen first.
yes, but they don't seem to sensationalise everything.Why do Muslims not condenm the violence done in the name of Allah? Has it anything to do with not willing to say anything bad about fellow Muslims?
isn;t that what Muslims all over the world are doing right now?