Why do all religions make sense?
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Well, you questioned why do different religions conflict with other religions, no? You were asking why is there smoke, so I was merely showing you where the fire is.Originally posted by casino_king:I am sure that you are right but somehow I think it is not relevant to the topic? I mean we are talking about religion and religious beliefs, not politics? Are you saying that politics shape religious beliefs?
And if you look up the meaning of the word POLITICS, you will see the broader terms of the word.
Heard the song by Tears For Fears "Everybody Wants To Rule The World"?
I view issues in a rather abstract manner.... -
Well, POLITICS doesn't shape religions, it never can. But it tended to get introduced into religions because it is human nature.
IN any human organisation, be it religious or corporate, there is order of rank. Heirarchy so to speak. When there is ranking, there will always be POLITICS.
Heard of Office Politics? So there's Religous Politics, and Family Politics, so on so forth... -
If u ask me, I say tat all religions does nto make sense
Because they r really not proven nor verified. People believing in christainity has really the same reasons as people who believe in Islam or Buddhist. There is no difference between believing in religion A or B since they r all not verified and it becomes a subject of personal preference or influence from friends or relatives
Also another thing is why does people believe religion who "teaches good" things is a necessary condition for it to be true.
Religion should be something like a history book tat record actual events tat had happened. There is an equal likelihood tat the creator is evil, totally bochup or really powerless towards mankind 
The only reason why religion should teaches good is because of politics. Those tat teach people to do bad things get to eb branded by politics as cults and get eliminated though they may be the true "history" -
They like to use reverse psychology to psycho until you donate. For example, they always say, "noooooo, you don't need to donate. you only donate if you really want to, otherwise, you can refrain from donating."Originally posted by casino_king:You need not donate but they try to make you feel guilty if you don't. Learn what time and at which point they ask for donations. Run out before that happens? Or wait until then to go to the toilet? You make sure you hold it in until just when they are going to ask and rush to the toilet?
I mean if you really like going to church. -
It is more than politics, yes it is politics but more. There are doctrinal differences that each religion focuses on. I do not think I am disagreeing with you though.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Well, POLITICS doesn't shape religions, it never can. But it tended to get introduced into religions because it is human nature.
IN any human organisation, be it religious or corporate, there is order of rank. Heirarchy so to speak. When there is ranking, there will always be POLITICS.
Heard of Office Politics? So there's Religous Politics, and Family Politics, so on so forth... -
Well, in Catholic churches, donation is not compulsory. It's entirely up to you.Originally posted by newcomer:They like to use reverse psychology to psycho until you donate. For example, they always say, "noooooo, you don't need to donate. you only donate if you really want to, otherwise, you can refrain from donating."
But in Christian churches, they require a 10% cut from your monthly salary to be part of the church.
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You are ignoring the fact that there is such a thing as Religious experience / Spiritual Awakening (click here)Originally posted by stupidissmart:If u ask me, I say tat all religions does nto make sense
Because they r really not proven nor verified. People believing in christainity has really the same reasons as people who believe in Islam or Buddhist. There is no difference between believing in religion A or B since they r all not verified and it becomes a subject of personal preference or influence from friends or relatives
Also another thing is why does people believe religion who "teaches good" things is a necessary condition for it to be true. Religion should be something like a history book tat record actual events tat had happened. There is an equal likelihood tat the creator is evil, totally bochup or really powerless towards mankind
The only reason why religion should teaches good is because of politics. Those tat teach people to do bad things get to eb branded by politics as cults and get eliminated though they may be the true "history"
The people who experienced it then go on to tell other people how to experience it. Religious experiences are real but its origins are debatable. Nevertheless religious people swear by it.
Religion is in the realm of FAITH and so the rules of the scientific method does not apply. Whether a religion ends up with more or less adherents would be whether or not they deliver the goods.
Whether religion teaches good or evil would depend on what those people with religious experiences say. We can safely say that it teaches good because they all say the same thing regarding love and compassion.
There is also the metaphysical phenomena aspect. -
exactly, I told you they try to make you feel guilty right? You said that it was the nly thing that stopped you from going to church, then just before they ask for donations, go to the toilet, if you really really like to go to church.Originally posted by newcomer:They like to use reverse psychology to psycho until you donate. For example, they always say, "noooooo, you don't need to donate. you only donate if you really want to, otherwise, you can refrain from donating." -
Are you sure? It must all be by donations because they are all under the IPC charter.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Well, in Catholic churches, donation is not compulsory. It's entirely up to you.
But in Christian churches, they require a 10% cut from your monthly salary to be part of the church.
Beat this.... -
Yea it's true. The 10% cut is MINIMUM. I think my parents give more than that. What pisses me off is when I see those pastors buying large presents for their children, driving big cars, fine dining with other visiting pastors, etc. Those are our bloody(literally) hard earned money, sweat and blood.Originally posted by casino_king:Are you sure? It must all be by donations because they are all under the IPC charter. -
That reminds me of a friend who says that he wakes up every morning and curse God 3 times as a challenge to God. It all started when he was a boy and felt so guilty not donating 10 cents that he couldn't afford and had sleepless nights over it. Then one day they all went to the pastor's big landed property.Originally posted by newcomer:Yea it's true. The 10% cut is MINIMUM. I think my parents give more than that. What pisses me off is when I see those pastors buying large presents for their children, driving big cars, fine dining with other visiting pastors, etc. Those are our bloody(literally) hard earned money, sweat and blood.
I think many people take issue with this but I am sure that it is not compulsory. It might be illegal if it is compulsory under the IPC charter. Why don't you ask your parents? -
As you can see, all issues about God and Religion, are all related to PEOPLE.Originally posted by casino_king:That reminds me of a friend who says that he wakes up every morning and curse God 3 times as a challenge to God. It all started when he was a boy and felt so guilty not donating 10 cents that he couldn't afford and had sleepless nights over it. Then one day they all went to the pastor's big landed property.
I think many people take issue with this but I am sure that it is not compulsory. It might be illegal if it is compulsory under the IPC charter. Why don't you ask your parents?
All these conditions, terms, rules, policies, believes, standards, rituals, what nought - all come from people. Not God, or religions. -
And now, because of MONEY, there is this movie The DaVinci Code - which to me is utter blesphamy.
Complete work of nonsensical fiction.
A commercial lie about the Bible. -
this thread has no jeez in it. -
if it contradicts itself, where's the sense to be found?Originally posted by casino_king:yes, should then one focus on the contradictions and say (make no sense) or on the logic and say (makes sense!) 
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Yes, you need to cry out directly to God. I agree with that. We also need to involve anybody which share the same good spirit. With the strong community, we can learn together.Originally posted by casino_king:Actually all yuo need to do is to cry out directly to God. You do not need to involve anybody. Bit if you think that that is too difficult; then you find somebody. Problem is that you end up believing him and the "evidence" that he gives you (holy books) and miss out on your original intention in the first place and that is to have Faith in God. you end up having faith in the practices and holy books and that is where you end up. This is the danger.
It depends on whether you want to see that religious person objectively. If you totally llisten to what that person said 100% without checking, you better pray you are in the right direction. Todays' problem, we see lot of people just follow what their leader asking, without checking. These people don't have faith in God, they have faith in the religious leader.
Theres' nothing wrong with reading the holy books, if it turns you to become a person like Mother Theresa. It is really wrong, if it turns out you want to hurt someone. -
So OK let's say we buy your story... can individuals within the mainstream religions ever discover the truth for themselves?Originally posted by ShutterBug:And now, because of MONEY, there is this movie The DaVinci Code - which to me is utter blesphamy.
Complete work of nonsensical fiction.
A commercial lie about the Bible. -
people make the jeez whatever that is.Originally posted by Gwangetto:
this thread has no jeez in it.
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Not contradict itself.... apparently contradicting itself. They all have very nice explanations.Originally posted by vito_corleone:if it contradicts itself, where's the sense to be found? -
Actually from my experience, the person cannot transfers anything to you, cannot tell you what to do, religious experience is an incredibly personal experience but the mainstream religions have made it into a set of practices.Originally posted by codemasterguy:Yes, you need to cry out directly to God. I agree with that. We also need to involve anybody which share the same good spirit. With the strong community, we can learn together.
It depends on whether you want to see that religious person objectively. If you totally llisten to what that person said 100% without checking, you better pray you are in the right direction. Todays' problem, we see lot of people just follow what their leader asking, without checking. These people don't have faith in God, they have faith in the religious leader.
Theres' nothing wrong with reading the holy books, if it turns you to become a person like Mother Theresa. It is really wrong, if it turns out you want to hurt someone. -
Originally posted by casino_king:the mainstream religions have made it into a set of practices.
Personal practices evoke self-awakening of Divine Mind!?! -
No one, and I don't expect you to buy my story - and I'm not telling a tale here.Originally posted by casino_king:So OK let's say we buy your story... can individuals within the mainstream religions ever discover the truth for themselves?
No truths can ever be discovered without passion, and steadfast faith. And this applies to anything - not only religions.
On the flip-side of the coin, this DaVinci Code hype, will make people take a closer look at the Catholic faith. To eventually see which is fact, and which is just a late night movie.
I'm not here to proclaim the word of God or anything remotely close to it. All I'm saying is; this is just what makes the world, a messy place. This difference of views and opinions in disproving each other's believes. All that was needed is one graceful word - RESPECT. And the sun would shine brighter. -
You mean meditation / cultivation? That is Buddhist / Taoist beliefs. The Hindu / Christian religions believe in a "born again" experience.Originally posted by Owl^:
Personal practices evoke self-awakening of Divine Mind!?!
First the seeker joins them and do the usual religious activities but are giuded into a "born again" experience that is something like "enlightenment."
Nowadays, as far as I know in my conversations with the Hindus, Islam and Christian seekers; they do not emphasise that anymore and expect the seekers to simply follow the religious activitiess, donate a part of their salaries and that is about all.
Some individuals do of course find it out for themselves, usually no thanks to the religious organisations, if I may add. But most remain with the religious organisations because their spiritual awakening happened when they were there. -
I am emphasizing that more than just RESPECT; they should climb out of their well and stop behaving like frogs in well and actually learn and appreciate what each other are preaching instead of bad mouthing each other's religions.Originally posted by ShutterBug:No one, and I don't expect you to buy my story - and I'm not telling a tale here.
No truths can ever be discovered without passion, and steadfast faith. And this applies to anything - not only religions.
On the flip-side of the coin, this DaVinci Code hype, will make people take a closer look at the Catholic faith. To eventually see which is fact, and which is just a late night movie.
I'm not here to proclaim the word of God or anything remotely close to it. All I'm saying is; this is just what makes the world, a messy place. This difference of views and opinions in disproving each other's believes. All that was needed is one graceful word - RESPECT. And the sun would shine brighter.
The problem is that they are so scared that they will lose their own faith when they learn about other people's faith. The leaders are not helping because they fear that they might lose their flock to the other side. -
dun think u can make that comment as u have never take part in church activities....Originally posted by casino_king:Nowadays, as far as I know in my conversations with the Hindus, Islam and Christian seekers; they do not emphasise that anymore and expect the seekers to simply follow the religious activitiess, donate a part of their salaries and that is about all.