Why do all religions make sense?
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You are talking about "beliefs." Faith and "beliefs" are two different things. You can have many many different beliefs and change your beliefs. You either have Faith or you don't; Faith is what causes you to be alive spiritually. Will you ask yourself the question: What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do?Originally posted by varatare:Hello people
I will like to post my own view regarding this topic. I must say I am not an expert in this religions stuff, but let me share with you what is my view about it.
I personally feel religions is a faith issue. It consist mainly of 2 components:
1. A meaning about life or a purpose in life
2. And Hope.
Now let me just ask a simple question:
If, shall what you believe in(may it be a religion or yourself or science) is totally not truth. Meaning shall you find out that your faith is a lie, what your feeling will be, and what will you do?
Regards
You cannot ask people who are alive spiritually to ask themselves: "What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do?"
Sure you may ask Christians, Buddhists and believers of other religions the question: "What if you find out that your beliefs are lies, what will your feeling will be, and what will you do?"
I am interested to know also. -
I can say GOD helped me through my saddest situation in my life. And I'm a strong believer of GOD. How about you?Originally posted by casino_king:I encourage you to find out for yourself or experience for yourself what Buddhists call Enlightenment and What Jesus called "Born Again" to appreciate in a more profound manner what religion is all about.
As a gentle reminder, kindly state your points/arguements first before even trying to encourage anyone in here. One good way to begin would be trying to encourage yourself first.
Good luck. -
Casino King go casino and be the king there..don't play along the line with religions here..Very sensitive issues.
Everything say here is just like a blade and have both sides, I wouldn't mind you cut someone accidently..but please take care of yourself at least..
I read worriedly...
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Sorry to add..considered talking money..shares or even women..if no man -
What is the logic behind your statement to: " kindly state your points/arguements first before even trying to encourage anyone in here?"Originally posted by parn:I can say GOD helped me through my saddest situation in my life. And I'm a strong believer of GOD. How about you?
As a gentle reminder, kindly state your points/arguements first before even trying to encourage anyone in here. One good way to begin would be trying to encourage yourself first.
Good luck. -
What are you worried about? Care to share?Originally posted by king108:Casino King go casino and be the king there..don't play along the line with religions here..Very sensitive issues.
Everything say here is just like a blade and have both sides, I wouldn't mind you cut someone accidently..but please take care of yourself at least..
I read worriedly...
I do not understand : "considered talking money..shares or even women..if no man" -
Hello Casino_kingOriginally posted by casino_king:You are talking about "beliefs." Faith and "beliefs" are two different things. You can have many many different beliefs and change your beliefs. You either have Faith or you don't; Faith is what causes you to be alive spiritually. Will you ask yourself the question: What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do?
You cannot ask people who are alive spiritually to ask themselves: "What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do?"
Sure you may ask Christians, Buddhists and believers of other religions the question: "What if you find out that your beliefs are lies, what will your feeling will be, and what will you do?"
I am interested to know also.
Let me help you in this way.
Taken from www.dictionary.com
faith
- Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing
- Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence
Faith is a kind of belief. You believe in GOD, that is why you have faith in GOD. You dont have faith in something if you dont believe it. That is why a sentence "I have faith in you" is stronger than "I believe you".
You question What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do? is not targeting to a subject. It is the same as asking question like "If I am a vase, what will I feel?" or "If I am a bird, what will I feel?". Simply put, can you answer that? How you will proof that what you going to say?
However, for my question, I can provide you the answer. Should my faith is a lie, that will mean my purpose and meaning to life is a lie. And my hope in all my hardship here is a lie.
Regards
Terrence -
Originally posted by casino_king:
For casino_king
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This better be good...no need GOD to answer your questions, let me enlighten you.
How did you know that God is desperate for people to believe in Him?
When and where did you hear that GOD is desperate for people to believe in HIM? Clearly there is only so little depth produced from a person's mind when he doesn't have the understanding of religion itself and questions only with a curious mind .
How did you know that there is no reason why God does not want to give man a reason to?
Hope that you're not questioning for the sake of arguing. You will need to be able to express your questions in a clearer manner first before anyone is able to answer the doubt in your confused mind. No reason for God to give man a reason to.....???
How did you know that God does not exists just because there is no evidence present?
GOD does exists and there are many people in the world who have been touched by HIM during their most difficult and darkest times in their life. The evidence of GOD existence lies within the people that has been touched by HIM.
How did you know that God did not intentionally refused to give man evidence of His existence?
GOD gave the evidence of GOD existence in the world by taking care of the worthy people who deserves it. The people who has received GOD help will be the best evidence of GOD existence in the world.
How did you know that it is not because God wants man to come to Him by Faith and not by evidence?
Having the fear of GOD is a more appropriate term to use than faith. Anyone can say they have faith in GOD itself and yet behaved in a manner that is against the very faith which they have proclaimed. Having the fear of GOD helps in straying from misbehaviour that is against GOD or anti-GOD.
How did you know that it was not God who wanted man to come to Him by Faith and not the church that demanded it?
Hmm? If it was not GOD and not church, then who? Think you need to rephrase your question well and take effort to express yourself clearly. If you're asking who wanted men to go to GOD, then I can tell you it is men themselves who wanted to go to GOD. Reason is because once men has been touched by GOD, there will be changes in men's life and nobody can deny the truth of being touched by GOD. And this has nothing to do with church, which is merely a gathering place for all Christians.
How did you know that sin is not a natural consequence of a limited and finite universe populated by finite and mortal beings?
Sin itself has nothing to do with limited nor finite universe or anything around us. When we sinned, sin comes from within us and inside us. You can never shift your own sins to anything else except yourself and your sins are truly yours alone.
How did you presume to know what Good and Evil is?
This can be interpreted in many ways. Knowing the difference between good and evil can be learnt through life experiences, understanding of the Holy Bible, laws in our world, individual convictions. Simplest way to identify between good and evil would be from the reaction experienced from any situation. Good brings about the happiness, well-being, peacefulness to all targeted individuals except bringer themselves. Evil brings about the sadnes, discomfort, chaos to all targeted individuals except the bringer themselves.
How did you know that it is not the presence of sin and the mortality of man that causes him to seek and put his Faith in the perfect God?
It is the fear of GOD that causes men to place faith in GOD. The real faithful believers of GOD would have real life experiences to affirm their loyalty to GOD.
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising his imperfection and recognising the perfection of God?
Care to state the evidences/arguements of your question? IF you have reverted to my previous replies above, you won't need to ask this question anymore...unless you have trouble understanding my replies.
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising the perfection of God and recognising that he is powerless to expect and demand anything from God?
Is this a trick question? Don't ask the same question again and please revert back to your previous questions for answers. I hope I'm not wasting my time and effort in replying you. Take note and don't be repetitive.
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising his limitations and that he has no understanding of God and must simply put his Faith in God?
You cut and paste one is it?
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising his limitations and that he has no understanding of God and must simply put his Faith in God?
*** IGNORING CUT AND PASTE ***
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising his limitations and that he is completely at the mercy of God?
*** IGNORING CUT AND PASTE ***
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising that despite his limitations had an instant realisation that God reconises him?
*** IGNORING CUT AND PASTE ***
How did you know that Faith in God is not the only way to be born again.
Faith in GOD has nothing to do with born again. Unless you can elaborate why, where and when did you get this mis-interpretation, I'm ending this reply.
Anyway you don't seems to be genuinely interested in the post from the way you asked and responded to the questions in here. Always state your arguements before you give your statements.
Good luck. -
Why do you even reply my post when you don't have logical and arguementative points of your own to convince me?Originally posted by casino_king:What is the logic behind your statement to: " kindly state your points/arguements first before even trying to encourage anyone in here?"
Why do you reply to my post? I'm perfectly sure that I did not ask for any replies and there wasn't any queries in my post.
Are you confused? -
casino_king, it seems that your lack of understanding in command of english is causing you great grief plus confusion and misunderstanding to the people here.Originally posted by casino_king:What are you worried about? Care to share?
I do not understand : "considered talking money..shares or even women..if no man"
Maybe you want to go back to school again for re-education? -
You need to go back to school for re-education first before you post here again ok?Originally posted by casino_king:You are talking about "beliefs." Faith and "beliefs" are two different things. You can have many many different beliefs and change your beliefs. You either have Faith or you don't; Faith is what causes you to be alive spiritually. Will you ask yourself the question: What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do?
You cannot ask people who are alive spiritually to ask themselves: "What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do?"
Sure you may ask Christians, Buddhists and believers of other religions the question: "What if you find out that your beliefs are lies, what will your feeling will be, and what will you do?"
I am interested to know also.
Need any help to fill up any application forms? Hope you seek some help soon. -
casino_king, kindly take your time to do more research with a dictionary and reply us.
Please do not rush cos you may encounter mistyping and we will need to correct you again.
Take care. -
The way I will put it to you is this. If you say "I have faith in you" to somebody; it is that, you believe that person and is "confident as to the truth, value, or trustworthiness" of that person. Faith in God is different.Originally posted by varatare:Hello Casino_king
Let me help you in this way.
Taken from www.dictionary.com
faith
- Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing
- Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence
Faith is a kind of belief. You believe in GOD, that is why you have faith in GOD. You dont have faith in something if you dont believe it. That is why a sentence "I have faith in you" is stronger than "I believe you".
You question What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do? is not targeting to a subject. It is the same as asking question like "If I am a vase, what will I feel?" or "If I am a bird, what will I feel?". Simply put, can you answer that? How you will proof that what you going to say?
However, for my question, I can provide you the answer. Should my faith is a lie, that will mean my purpose and meaning to life is a lie. And my hope in all my hardship here is a lie.
Regards
Terrence
Before you have faith in somebody, you see that person, you know that person and you understand that person.
Faith in God is; once you have Faith in God, God becomes real to you. As real as anybody.
As you can see, Faith in God is not the same as faith in somebody.
What you see and understand in religion is faith in a concept of God. In Hindu temples, there are many concepts of God cast in stone. Like:
and so on.... but the Hindus do believe in an Ultimate God.
In Christianity it is somewhat not so obvious. The concepts of God (Catholic/Anglicans/Baptists/Mormons/Charismatics/Evengelicas...) are not cast in stones but remain as concepts in their heads.
As far as they are concern, yes, they have faith in God, the concept that is in their heads. The concept in their heads is real to them by faith; nevertheless are simply concepts of God, not God.
Buddhism has two levels. The first level is simply to understand what causes suffering and how to get rid of it. The second level is becoming god-like. That is to say man can become god.
Many Buddhists in practice have faith in Buddhists Gods nevertheless. They believe that by associating with certain gods than the goodness of that god will fall on then and nudge out the evil (karma) from their lives, for example. The put their faith in these Buddhists concepts of God.
The Buddhist has many practices to attain the fisrts and second levels. Mainly through meditation. Mainly to still their minds and realise that which is hidden.
This is a short explanation for you to help you understand why your question is so, if you do not my saying so, naive. -
Originally posted by parn:
For casino_king
------------------ This better be good...no need GOD to answer your questions, let me enlighten you.
[b]How did you know that God is desperate for people to believe in Him?
When and where did you hear that GOD is desperate for people to believe in HIM? Clearly there is only so little depth produced from a person's mind when he doesn't have the understanding of religion itself and questions only with a curious mind .
How did you know that there is no reason why God does not want to give man a reason to?
Hope that you're not questioning for the sake of arguing. You will need to be able to express your questions in a clearer manner first before anyone is able to answer the doubt in your confused mind. No reason for God to give man a reason to.....???
How did you know that God does not exists just because there is no evidence present?
GOD does exists and there are many people in the world who have been touched by HIM during their most difficult and darkest times in their life. The evidence of GOD existence lies within the people that has been touched by HIM.
How did you know that God did not intentionally refused to give man evidence of His existence?
GOD gave the evidence of GOD existence in the world by taking care of the worthy people who deserves it. The people who has received GOD help will be the best evidence of GOD existence in the world.
How did you know that it is not because God wants man to come to Him by Faith and not by evidence?
Having the fear of GOD is a more appropriate term to use than faith. Anyone can say they have faith in GOD itself and yet behaved in a manner that is against the very faith which they have proclaimed. Having the fear of GOD helps in straying from misbehaviour that is against GOD or anti-GOD.
How did you know that it was not God who wanted man to come to Him by Faith and not the church that demanded it?
Hmm? If it was not GOD and not church, then who? Think you need to rephrase your question well and take effort to express yourself clearly. If you're asking who wanted men to go to GOD, then I can tell you it is men themselves who wanted to go to GOD. Reason is because once men has been touched by GOD, there will be changes in men's life and nobody can deny the truth of being touched by GOD. And this has nothing to do with church, which is merely a gathering place for all Christians.
How did you know that sin is not a natural consequence of a limited and finite universe populated by finite and mortal beings?
Sin itself has nothing to do with limited nor finite universe or anything around us. When we sinned, sin comes from within us and inside us. You can never shift your own sins to anything else except yourself and your sins are truly yours alone.
How did you presume to know what Good and Evil is?
This can be interpreted in many ways. Knowing the difference between good and evil can be learnt through life experiences, understanding of the Holy Bible, laws in our world, individual convictions. Simplest way to identify between good and evil would be from the reaction experienced from any situation. Good brings about the happiness, well-being, peacefulness to all targeted individuals except bringer themselves. Evil brings about the sadnes, discomfort, chaos to all targeted individuals except the bringer themselves.
How did you know that it is not the presence of sin and the mortality of man that causes him to seek and put his Faith in the perfect God?
It is the fear of GOD that causes men to place faith in GOD. The real faithful believers of GOD would have real life experiences to affirm their loyalty to GOD.
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising his imperfection and recognising the perfection of God?
Care to state the evidences/arguements of your question? IF you have reverted to my previous replies above, you won't need to ask this question anymore...unless you have trouble understanding my replies.
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising the perfection of God and recognising that he is powerless to expect and demand anything from God?
Is this a trick question? Don't ask the same question again and please revert back to your previous questions for answers. I hope I'm not wasting my time and effort in replying you. Take note and don't be repetitive.
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising his limitations and that he has no understanding of God and must simply put his Faith in God?
You cut and paste one is it?
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising his limitations and that he has no understanding of God and must simply put his Faith in God?
*** IGNORING CUT AND PASTE ***
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising his limitations and that he is completely at the mercy of God?
*** IGNORING CUT AND PASTE ***
How did you know the only way to have Faith in God and be born again is not man recognising that despite his limitations had an instant realisation that God reconises him?
*** IGNORING CUT AND PASTE ***
How did you know that Faith in God is not the only way to be born again.
Faith in GOD has nothing to do with born again. Unless you can elaborate why, where and when did you get this mis-interpretation, I'm ending this reply.
Anyway you don't seems to be genuinely interested in the post from the way you asked and responded to the questions in here. Always state your arguements before you give your statements.
Good luck.
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Do you know why your whole post is complete nonsense? I was not talking to you! I was talking to Stupid is Smart!
If you have any questions of your own, please ask them and we can have a conversation instead of you jumping into other people's conversation from nowhere and talking complete nonsense; totally out of context. -
Originally posted by parn:
quote:Originally posted by casino_king:
What are you worried about? Care to share?
I do not understand : "considered talking money..shares or even women..if no man"casino_king, it seems that your lack of understanding in command of english is causing you great grief plus confusion and misunderstanding to the people here.
Maybe you want to go back to school again for re-education? Smile
casino_king, it seems that your lack of understanding in command of english is causing you great grief plus confusion and misunderstanding to the people here.
Maybe you want to go back to school again for re-education? Do you know why your post is complete nonsense? My post you quoted; I was not talking to you! I was talking to King108!
Are you delusional or what? Thinking that people are talking to you when they talk to other people? -
Originally posted by parn:
quote:Originally posted by casino_king:
You are talking about "beliefs." Faith and "beliefs" are two different things. You can have many many different beliefs and change your beliefs. You either have Faith or you don't; Faith is what causes you to be alive spiritually. Will you ask yourself the question: What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do?
You cannot ask people who are alive spiritually to ask themselves: "What if I am not really alive, what will my feelings be, and what will I do?"
Sure you may ask Christians, Buddhists and believers of other religions the question: "What if you find out that your beliefs are lies, what will your feeling will be, and what will you do?"
I am interested to know also.You need to go back to school for re-education first before you post here again ok? Smile
Need any help to fill up any application forms? Hope you seek some help soon. Smile
You need to go back to school for re-education first before you post here again ok?
Need any help to fill up any application forms? Hope you seek some help soon. Do you know why your whole post is complete nonsense? I was not talking to you! I was talking to varatare!
Even if you are too free and have nothing to do, please do not jump into other people's conversation from nowhere talking complete nonsense; totally out of context. -
Do you not know that as long as you are willing to read up on anybody life experiences, you would be able to generate faith in that person even without seeing the person in real life?
The examples that you've quoted for generating faith in somebody and GOD are two examples that could be used to generate faith in ANYONE and not necessary have to be GOD and somebody.
Are you an indian? Seems to me that you have some understanding of Buddhism and Hindusm, but you have no understand of Christianity and Islam.
Hope that you can seek greater guidance and enlightenment from your GOD as you've started the post and you are actively trying to convince everyone of your derailed thoughts.
So what is the meaning behind all this?Originally posted by casino_king:The way I will put it to you is this. If you say "I have faith in you" to somebody; it is that, you believe that person and is "confident as to the truth, value, or trustworthiness" of that person. Faith in God is different.
Before you have faith in somebody, you see that person, you know that person and you understand that person.
Faith in God is; once you have Faith in God, God becomes real to you. As real as anybody.
As you can see, Faith in God is not the same as faith in somebody.
What you see and understand in religion is faith in a concept of God. In Hindu temples, there are many concepts of God cast in stone. Like:
and so on.... but the Hindus do believe in an Ultimate God.
In Christianity it is somewhat not so obvious. The concepts of God (Catholic/Anglicans/Baptists/Mormons/Charismatics/Evengelicas...) are not cast in stones but remain as a concepts in their heads.
As far as they are concern, yes, they have faith in God, the concept that is in their heads. The concept in their heads is real to them by faith.
Buddhism has two levels. The first level is simply to understand what causes suffering and how to get rid of it. The second level is becoming god like. That is to say man can become god.
Many Buddhists in practice have faith in Buddhists Gods nevertheless. They believe that by associating with certain gods than the goodness of that god will fall on then and nudge out the evil (karma) from their lives. The put their faith in these concepts of God.
They Buddhist has many practices to attain the fisrts and second levels. Mainly through meditation. Mainly to still their minds and realise that which is hidden.
This is a short explanation for you to help you understand why your question is so, if you do not my saying so, naive. -
Originally posted by parn:Do you not know that as long as you are willing to read up on anybody life experiences, you would be able to generate faith in that person even without seeing the person in real life?
The examples that you've quoted for generating faith in somebody and GOD are two examples that could be used to generate faith in ANYONE and not necessary have to be GOD and somebody.
Are you an indian? Seems to me that you have some understanding of Buddhism and Hindusm, but you have no understand of Christianity and Islam.
Hope that you can seek greater guidance and enlightenment from your GOD as you've started the post and you are actively trying to convince everyone of your derailed thoughts.
So what is the meaning behind all this? Do you know why your whole post is complete nonsense? I was not talking to you! I was talking to varatare!
Even if you are too free and have nothing to do, please do not jump into other people's conversation from nowhere talking complete nonsense; totally out of context. -
Correction: Buddhists is to become Buddha, that is to say, Enlightened.Originally posted by casino_king:The way I will put it to you is this. If you say "I have faith in you" to somebody; it is that, you believe that person and is "confident as to the truth, value, or trustworthiness" of that person. Faith in God is different.
Before you have faith in somebody, you see that person, you know that person and you understand that person.
Faith in God is; once you have Faith in God, God becomes real to you. As real as anybody.
As you can see, Faith in God is not the same as faith in somebody.
What you see and understand in religion is faith in a concept of God. In Hindu temples, there are many concepts of God cast in stone. Like:
and so on.... but the Hindus do believe in an Ultimate God.
In Christianity it is somewhat not so obvious. The concepts of God (Catholic/Anglicans/Baptists/Mormons/Charismatics/Evengelicas...) are not cast in stones but remain as concepts in their heads.
As far as they are concern, yes, they have faith in God, the concept that is in their heads. The concept in their heads is real to them by faith; nevertheless are simply concepts of God, not God.
Buddhism has two levels. The first level is simply to understand what causes suffering and how to get rid of it. The second level is becoming god-like. That is to say man can become god.
Many Buddhists in practice have faith in Buddhists Gods nevertheless. They believe that by associating with certain gods than the goodness of that god will fall on then and nudge out the evil (karma) from their lives, for example. The put their faith in these Buddhists concepts of God.
The Buddhist has many practices to attain the fisrts and second levels. Mainly through meditation. Mainly to still their minds and realise that which is hidden.
This is a short explanation for you to help you understand why your question is so, if you do not my saying so, naive.
But that is nothing got to do with being a 'god', and the meaning of 'god' is very very different from the word 'enlightened person'.
Gods have little roles in Buddhism and we do not pray to any gods or deities. Only Enlightened beings are the 'worthy ones' in Buddhism. -
Can you tell us more about Enlightened people? What are they like? Do they possess supernatural powers (powers that normal unenlightened people do not have?)Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Correction: Buddhists is to become Buddha, that is to say, Enlightened.
But that is nothing got to do with being a 'god', and the meaning of 'god' is very very different from the word 'enlightened person'.
Gods have little roles in Buddhism and we do not pray to any gods or deities. Only Enlightened beings are the 'worthy ones' in Buddhism.
Many people who call themselves Buddhists, we know for a fact, do pray to Buddhist versions of Gods. -
Hello Casio_KingOriginally posted by casino_king:The way I will put it to you is this. If you say "I have faith in you" to somebody; it is that, you believe that person and is "confident as to the truth, value, or trustworthiness" of that person. Faith in God is different.
Before you have faith in somebody, you see that person, you know that person and you understand that person.
Faith in God is; once you have Faith in God, God becomes real to you. As real as anybody.
As you can see, Faith in God is not the same as faith in somebody.
What you see and understand in religion is faith in a concept of God. In Hindu temples, there are many concepts of God cast in stone. Like:
and so on.... but the Hindus do believe in an Ultimate God.
In Christianity it is somewhat not so obvious. The concepts of God (Catholic/Anglicans/Baptists/Mormons/Charismatics/Evengelicas...) are not cast in stones but remain as concepts in their heads.
As far as they are concern, yes, they have faith in God, the concept that is in their heads. The concept in their heads is real to them by faith; nevertheless are simply concepts of God, not God.
Buddhism has two levels. The first level is simply to understand what causes suffering and how to get rid of it. The second level is becoming god-like. That is to say man can become god.
Many Buddhists in practice have faith in Buddhists Gods nevertheless. They believe that by associating with certain gods than the goodness of that god will fall on then and nudge out the evil (karma) from their lives, for example. The put their faith in these Buddhists concepts of God.
The Buddhist has many practices to attain the fisrts and second levels. Mainly through meditation. Mainly to still their minds and realise that which is hidden.
This is a short explanation for you to help you understand why your question is so, if you do not my saying so, naive.
Frankly I dont want to argue with you about this since religions is afterall a very personal thing and there is not right or wrong in it.
However, you help doesnt not help me to understand why my question is naive but it does make me feel your understanding in religion is very shallow and your sight in life is very short. What you have say about religion,faith and believe so far I do undertsand. However, you seem to have stop there and doesnt want to see farther and deeper into the issue.
I have to say you are incorrect to say thatBefore you have faith in somebody, you see that person, you know that person and you understand that person.
How many a time we put our faith on people we never see before? Especially in time of need?
We have faith in a person because of the person's values. Same as why we have faith in GOD. Just that faith in GOD isnt just mean the value of GOD but also the Truth in GOD.
However whether that Truth is a concept or not is not up to anyone of us to judge. Isnt the concept of money the same? Afterall it is only a piece of paper but we see the value in it.
Til now you have not answer my question. Maybe you can think these first:
1) through what mean you have find your meaning and purpose in life?
2) through what mean you have found strength and hope in time of hardship?
3) because of the abovemention issues, does you have faith in that mean?
Please do read and re-read then undertsand the essential of the questions and not just looking at the questions themselve before you reply them.
Regards -
U r wasting my time
It is their personal experience. How did you know?
I have already answer tis a few times already.
Lets put it tis way, religious experience/ spiritual awakening is not unique. People from different religion faces similar experience though their religion is contradictory to each others. Cults themselves have their fair share of people facing "spiritual awakening". In fact there r also many people who can swear or experience phenomenon such as "ghost" "UFO" as well. How accurate is tat to show ones religion is true ? If tat is true then every tales made by men or the insane are true.
They r probably some answer to the same question for all the reply made in tis thread. Just because they say it is divine doesn't make it divine. Mad people can say their experience is divine, yet obviously they r not. Given these facts, a logical and rational person will take such experiences to be insignificant to prove tat their religion is right. Just because it is personal doesn't means they r right
If I am not wrong u r going to ask the same question all over again. If u ask again I am just gona paste tis reply backI don't, I listen to their story and I might trust them or i might not. How did you know that they don't?
On wat basis u trust them and wat basis u don't ?God or man threatened? Did God threatened you?
Non-believers go to hell. God say it himself. Tat is really threatheningOf course there is no evidence, do you think that God is desperate? Do you think that Faith in God is doing God a favour? Do you think that puuting your Faith in God because you have the evidence is worth puuting your Faith in God?
If there is no evidence, then don't expect people to believe him. Why require faith ? U have never answer tis at all 
Do you think it is worthwhile to have faith in a God that reveals himeself to you?
Of course. If it is shown it exists and can really control every aspect of your life, u of course got to start doing wat he say. U don't ?Do you think it is worthwhile to have faith in a God you can logically comprehend?
Of course U wanna believe in something totally illogical ? Why don't u believe tat santa claus an the tooth fairy is true ?Neither, you realise it for yourself
Both, you realise it yourselfI think you mentioned something about sin in your earlier reply. The question is: How do you know that sin is not a natural consequence of being finite and mortal?
If it is a "natural" consequence then why blame men totally for it ?Even a Child understands that there are consequences to one's actions. To say Good or Evil is to presume that you can see the consequences from eternity to eternity. Can you see from eternity to eternity?
the evil and imperfectness of world is not attributed to god even though he is the one who made it and he is supposed to be powerful to change it
I say the above. Did I say I know wat is "eternity and eternity" hocus bogus ? I tell u again evil, as defined in the dictionary is simply
Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.
a child know wat is evil. In fact every body is using the word evil freely. Wat has it got to do with eternity ? U really need to go back to an english schoolEven Hindus understand that there is only one ultimate God even though there might be many "understanding" or God
U really need to read back again. Hindu got 1 "ultimate" god but it is not the same as christian one. These make 2 different god. If u add up thwe other religion and cults, u got thousands. U understand the logic now ?Why put your faith in cults? Why not Lee Kuan Yew? Why not Dear Leader Kim? Nobody asked you to put your faith in anything other than Faith in God.
U never really answer the question. U only need faith to believe in anything u want. And in fact u agree with me. U only need faith to start believing in everything including LKY or leader Kim etc. U think the people who put their faith in these leaders different from people who put faith in religion ? -
You can have faith in people and money and faith in all things conceived by the human mind and all things that exists in the universe.Originally posted by varatare:Hello Casio_King
Frankly I dont want to argue with you about this since religions is afterall a very personal thing and there is not right or wrong in it.
However, you help doesnt not help me to understand why my question is naive but it does make me feel your understanding in religion is very shallow and your sight in life is very short. What you have say about religion,faith and believe so far I do undertsand. However, you seem to have stop there and doesnt want to see farther and deeper into the issue.
I have to say you are incorrect to say that
quote:Before you have faith in somebody, you see that person, you know that person and you understand that person.
How many a time we put our faith on people we never see before? Especially in time of need?
We have faith in a person because of the person's values. Same as why we have faith in GOD. Just that faith in GOD isnt just mean the value of GOD but also the Truth in GOD.
However whether that Truth is a concept or not is not up to anyone of us to judge. Isnt the concept of money the same? Afterall it is only a piece of paper but we see the value in it.
Til now you have not answer my question. Maybe you can think these first:
1) through what mean you have find your meaning and purpose in life?
2) through what mean you have found strength and hope in time of hardship?
3) because of the abovemention issues, does you have faith in that mean?
Please do read and re-read then undertsand the essential of the questions and not just looking at the questions themselve before you reply them.
Regards
Faith in the concepts of God, like the statues in temples (the pics I provided) or a concept of God based on the bible; are products of the human mind. You can ask people what happens when their concepts of God turns out to be false.
Faith in God is a different. The result of Faith in God is that God becomes real to you. You have a relationship with God. You cannot ask people what if the relationship turns out to be false? It is a naive question.
You cannot ask somebody if his relationship with his parent of siblings or spouse or relatives or friends are false. They might not have a good relationship or they might not even have a relationship but there is no such thing as a false relationship.
It is also possible for people to imagine that they have a relationship but that is not your question is it? Whether people are only pretending to have a relationship with God? Which is why I said that your question is naive. Naive in the sense that just because you do not have a relationship with God, you assume that others do not. -
I asked you a very simple question: "It is their personal experience. How did you know that the experience is not real? " All you have done is tell me that different people have different experiences. So what is your point? Why do you not want to answer the question?Originally posted by stupidissmart:U r wasting my time
quote:It is their personal experience. How did you know?
I have already answer tis a few times already.
Lets put it tis way, religious experience/ spiritual awakening is not unique. People from different religion faces similar experience though their religion is contradictory to each others. Cults themselves have their fair share of people facing "spiritual awakening". In fact there r also many people who can swear or experience phenomenon such as "ghost" "UFO" as well. How accurate is tat to show ones religion is true ? If tat is true then every tales made by men or the insane are true.
They r probably some answer to the same question for all the reply made in tis thread. Just because they say it is divine doesn't make it divine. Mad people can say their experience is divine, yet obviously they r not. Given these facts, a logical and rational person will take such experiences to be insignificant to prove tat their religion is right. Just because it is personal doesn't means they r right
If I am not wrong u r going to ask the same question all over again. Rolling Eyes If u ask again I am just gona paste tis reply back
Based on my own experiences. Just because you yourself have never had the experience does not mean that others do not right? just because you yourself never had the experience do not then come like a kid shouting, it cannot be it cannot be.Originally posted by stupidissmart: quote:I don't, I listen to their story and I might trust them or i might not. How did you know that they don't?On wat basis u trust them and wat basis u don't ?
Then why not ask God to live your life for you? What is the point of your existence?Originally posted by stupidissmart: quote:God or man threatened? Did God threatened you?
Non-believers go to hell. God say it himself. Tat is really threathening[/quote] God said it or man said it? So you conveniently believe in God when it suits you and do not when it does not suit you?Originally posted by stupidissmart: quote:Of course there is no evidence, do you think that God is desperate? Do you think that Faith in God is doing God a favour? Do you think that puuting your Faith in God because you have the evidence is worth puuting your Faith in God?
Why not? When you have Faith in God, God becomes real to you and you have a relationship with God.
If there is no evidence, then don't expect people to believe him. Rolling Eyes Why require faith ? U have never answer tis at all Confused
[quote]Originally posted by stupidissmart: quote
o you think it is worthwhile to have faith in a God that reveals himeself to you?Of course. If it is shown it exists and can really control every aspect of your life, u of course got to start doing wat he say. U don't ?
Santa and the tooth fairy are constructs of the human mind and I have no intention of putting my faith in construct of the human mind. Are you telling me that you have faith in santa and the tooth fairy and they are now real to you and you are having a relationship with them? Otherwise, why do santa and the tooth fairy come up in this discussion? Man must acknowledge that he cannot fully comprehend God. Man can only cry out to God and put his Faith in God.Originally posted by stupidissmart: quoteo you think it is worthwhile to have faith in a God you can logically comprehend?Of course Laughing U wanna believe in something totally illogical ? Why don't u believe tat santa claus an the tooth fairy is true ?
Who? Who blamed men totally for it, you?Originally posted by stupidissmart: quote:Neither, you realise it for yourself
Both, you realise it yourself
quote:I think you mentioned something about sin in your earlier reply. The question is: How do you know that sin is not a natural consequence of being finite and mortal?If it is a "natural" consequence then why blame men totally for it ?
I am telling you that you cannot presume to know Good and Evil if you cannot see from eternity to eternity. You cannot the consequences of certain actions beyond your grave. You can't even see all the consequences of your actions while you are still alive.Originally posted by stupidissmart: quote:Even a Child understands that there are consequences to one's actions. To say Good or Evil is to presume that you can see the consequences from eternity to eternity. Can you see from eternity to eternity?the evil and imperfectness of world is not attributed to god even though he is the one who made it and he is supposed to be powerful to change it
I say the above. Did I say I know wat is "eternity and eternity" hocus bogus ? I tell u again evil, as defined in the dictionary is simply
Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.
a child know wat is evil. In fact every body is using the word evil freely. Wat has it got to do with eternity ? U really need to go back to an english school
The Christian concepts of God and the Hindu concepts of God are concepts opf God. Put your faith in God and not concepts of God.Originally posted by stupidissmart: quote:Even Hindus understand that there is only one ultimate God even though there might be many "understanding&;quot; or GodU really need to read back again. Hindu got 1 "ultimate" god but it is not the same as christian one. These make 2 different god. If u add up thwe other religion and cults, u got thousands. U understand the logic now ?
Put your Faith in God and you will know.Originally posted by stupidissmart: quote:Why put your faith in cults? Why not Lee Kuan Yew? Why not Dear Leader Kim? Nobody asked you to put your faith in anything other than Faith in God.U never really answer the question. Rolling Eyes U only need faith to believe in anything u want. And in fact u agree with me. Laughing U only need faith to start believing in everything including LKY or leader Kim etc. U think the people who put their faith in these leaders different from people who put faith in religion ? -
casino_king, don't try to push your ideals on anyone. Post and leave it as it is, unless you're required to make a stand for what you've posted. And do show credibility by replying to the questions when you're questioned.
There's no purpose in trying to convince stupidissmart, what do you want out of this anyway?
Both of you have your own theories, principles about faith and religion. So why not just leave it as it is?
Lastly, what is the purpose of starting this post when you're the post starter and can't keep an open mind to accept other people's opinion?