Old Uncle ask ITE girl "how much you are worth"
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Alright i dunno how u got mislead or something but i will just simplify what i meant for the statement earlierOriginally posted by codename4:So u are implying that it is a criminal offence for guys to even say YES to a prostitute who offered SEX for $? Then for goodness sake what is gota happen to the prostitute? Will she be charge? You mean prostitution is encouraged?
I am just saying the guys will be safe if they dun go around looking for prostitute, are u clear now?do i have to simplify further????
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i agree with you too,his statement somehow show that his thinking is limit.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Brudder brudder, ur view is certainly biased. Your judgement is clouded, let me assure u. (Pls reflect on ur 2nd paragraph)
U have flouted this principle, "there are bad hats everywhere" and adopted the "birds of the same kind flock together" mentality. Do u really think all birds of the same kind flock together? Birds, yes. Humans, no. Unless ur saying that we have bird brains.
Secondly, a person's worth is not measured by his qualifications. In the govt sector, yes. In the private sector, no. Even if the govt measures success by qualifications, that's their point of view and it's shallow. A lot of us are the brainwash of the system. How many uni grads actually enter uni because they wana learn how to be entrepreneurs? Show me a subject which says, "How to make money." Money making knowledge comes from "social universities". A number of ITE grads can beat degree holders flat here.
Really really no offence but ur thinking is limited. I believe u r one person who doesn't feel he can achieve much in life unless one has gd qualifications. -
There is nothing criminally wrong in looking for prostitutes for goodness sake.Originally posted by KenPlus:Alright i dunno how u got mislead or something but i will just simplify what i meant for the statement earlier
I am just saying the guys will be safe if they dun go around looking for prostitute, are u clear now?do i have to simplify further????
What I am stating here is that I am not against prostution but there indeed are cases whereby prostitutes cry rape after sex to demand $ from the guys.
I am definitely not against guys or gals who are out for sex. -
actually if you have the right connections, you wouldn't even be in ITE. imho, i think that ITE just trains a different set of skills as compared to JC/Poly after all not everyone can be educated in the same manner. they might not be suited for some jobs, or maybe many jobs but some of them sure can carve out their niches someplace else.
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If ITE grads are so good, u will find them as CEOs or directors etc. Stop defending your alma mater for goodness sake. Everyone knows that in every society, there is bound to be someone who is respected and someone who will be looked down upon.Originally posted by KenPlus:i agree with you too,his statement somehow show that his thinking is limit. -
Can u name me one ITE grad who is a CEO of MNC?Originally posted by angelfairy:actually if you have the right connections, you wouldn't even be in ITE. imho, i think that ITE just trains a different set of skills as compared to JC/Poly after all not everyone can be educated in the same manner. they might not be suited for some jobs, or maybe many jobs but some of them sure can carve out their niches someplace else. -
Oh i am not saying it criminally wrong prostution is also a job.But i am saying for guys to avoid being cheated,it will be Advisable i am saying advisable ok not to go and look for prostitutes.My statement did not stateOriginally posted by codename4:There is nothing criminally wrong in looking for prostitutes for goodness sake.
What I am stating here is that I am not against prostution but there indeed are cases whereby prostitutes cry rape after sex to demand $ from the guys.
I am definitely not against guys or gals who are out for sex.
criminally wrong if somehow my statement lead u to think that i am quotingcriminally wrong ,well i am sorry for it ok. -
i didnt say they would be a CEO of an MNC, besides you dont have to get the top position to be the best; even naming a CEO of an MNC from a top jc would be challengingOriginally posted by codename4:Can u name me one ITE grad who is a CEO of MNC? -
Yeah you never say that too i think he just couldn't understand our statements that allOriginally posted by angelfairy:i didnt say they would be a CEO of an MNC, besides you dont have to get the top position to be the best; even naming a CEO of an MNC from a top jc would be challenging
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What about Ho Ching? What about Lee Hsien Yang and ah loong? What about LKY?Originally posted by angelfairy:i didnt say they would be a CEO of an MNC, besides you dont have to get the top position to be the best; even naming a CEO of an MNC from a top jc would be challenging
Are they from ITE?
They were from Colleges.
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For those who have previously applied for jobs, some positions actually ask for certain academic qualifications , be it Diploma , 'O' level or 'A' level etc, this is because the company sets aside a lower pay scheme for that position. So if the company sets aside perhaps around 1.2K for this job , they might even reject the uni grad for an ITE grad.Originally posted by codename4:Well u are avoiding my good question.
My question is: If someone were to pick ITE grad or NUS grad for a job with $1000 a month, which will that good person pick?
The answer is obvious.
In every society, there are bound to be people/students/families who are poor, trouble-makers and will be looked down upon.. I am just stating that sadly, this is Singapore and it just happens that ITE girls who sell their bodies or beat up another innocent girl are to be looked down upon.
And also in every society, there are bound to be people whom people will respect. They are the university graduates.
Like it or not, in a country like Singapore, u have got no choice.
I agree that acamedic qualifications play a huge part in getting a job. But your cert only matters for your starting pay , after which it depends how much effort you are willing to put in , an ITE grad might be paid much lower initially if he/she is chosen , he/she mite end up earning much more than a uni grad if he/she is streetsmart or really hardworking.
Nothing is fair in this world , let's face it. Higher education wun guarantee you a job , lower education does not mean no future either. Its a land of opportunities and how you plan to make full use of them. -
Originally posted by snowbird82:That is why when u place one SMU 1st class nerd with one ITE ah lian together and u want to choose one of them to be an investment banker, who will be choose for $1000? Of course u dont even want to see the ITE grad for interview!
I may sound blunt but i am just practical, having seem the working world in Singapore. Even sports representatives of Singapore are having uni education or straight As. How come ITE grads never represent the country in sports since they are hopeless in studies? -
Again this is the statement i typeOriginally posted by codename4:If ITE grads are so good, u will find them as CEOs or directors etc. Stop defending your alma mater for goodness sake. Everyone knows that in every society, there is bound to be someone who is respected and someone who will be looked down upon.
"i agree with you too,his statement somehow show that his thinking is limit."
i did not mention anything abt CEO etc etc
My statement only mean i agree with the latter views about your thinking being limits that all.Clear? -
they are, obviously, different from the rest of the JC graduates - i don't have to elaborate further here, you know why. again, note that i said ITE just trains a different set of skills suited for other positions - i didnt in anyway claim they are trained for managerial or top ranking positions, just different positions. in fact i wasnt even making an argument, just a statement to clarify some things.Originally posted by codename4:What about Ho Ching? What about Lee Hsien Yang and ah loong? What about LKY?
Are they from ITE?
They were from Colleges.
So are u going to name me just one prominent ITE grad who heads MNCs? -
Look, if the NUS grads WANTs the job for $1200, u think the company will still choose the ITE grad over the NUS grad? In terms of prestige and communication etc, ESP ENGLISH, the nus grad beats the ITE grads hands down.Originally posted by snowbird82:For those who have previously applied for jobs, some positions actually ask for certain academic qualifications , be it Diploma , 'O' level or 'A' level etc, this is because the company sets aside a lower pay scheme for that position. So if the company sets aside perhaps around 1.2K for this job , they might even reject the uni grad for an ITE grad. -
Yeah your viewspoints are much better ,correct "qualifications play a huge part " what u say is correct "lower education does not mean no future either" yes it correct every job play a part in SGOriginally posted by snowbird82:For those who have previously applied for jobs, some positions actually ask for certain academic qualifications , be it Diploma , 'O' level or 'A' level etc, this is because the company sets aside a lower pay scheme for that position. So if the company sets aside perhaps around 1.2K for this job , they might even reject the uni grad for an ITE grad.
I agree that acamedic qualifications play a huge part in getting a job. But your cert only matters for your starting pay , after which it depends how much effort you are willing to put in , an ITE grad might be paid much lower initially if he/she is chosen , he/she mite end up earning much more than a uni grad if he/she is streetsmart or really hardworking.
Nothing is fair in this world , let's face it. Higher education wun guarantee you a job , lower education does not mean no future either. Its a land of opportunities and how you plan to make full use of them. -
Please don talk about "training different set of skills etc etc" I know it, u know it.Originally posted by angelfairy:they are, obviously, different from the rest of the JC graduates - i don't have to elaborate further here, you know why. again, note that i said ITE just trains a different set of skills suited for other positions - i didnt in anyway claim they are trained for managerial or top ranking positions, just different positions. in fact i wasnt even making an argument, just a statement to clarify some things.
The fact is that with ITE cert, is the starting salary MUCH lower than that of a Uni graduate? I am not saying ITE graduates will get ZERO salary but when u place them with a uni grad, their salary will be much much lower. Please face this fact. If a 1st class from SMU gets $3000, we just dont pay $3000 for a fresh ITE grad even with same skills.
For your info, MOE dont even recruit ITE graduates. can u tell me why? -
However, if you're so hard up for an example, then may i be allowed to refer you to this link here:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/speeches/2002/sp13112002.htm
where hopefully you will be satisfied. -
LOWER education in actually fact means LOWER future. That is a fact, please face it.Originally posted by KenPlus:Yeah your viewspoints are much better ,correct "qualifications play a huge part " what u say is correct "lower education does not mean no future either" yes it correct every job play a part in SG -
i cant believe that u actually believe the government "respect" ITE graduates?Originally posted by angelfairy:However, if you're so hard up for an example, then may i be allowed to refer you to this link here:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/speeches/2002/sp13112002.htm
where hopefully you will be satisfied.
If ITE grads are so good, can u ask Teo Chee Hean to send his kids to ITE? -
lets just examine what i said previously, shall weOriginally posted by codename4:Please don talk about "training different set of skills etc etc" I know it, u know it.
The fact is that with ITE cert, is the starting salary MUCH lower than that of a Uni graduate? I am not saying ITE graduates will get ZERO salary but when u place them with a uni grad, their salary will be much much lower. Please face this fact. If a 1st class from SMU gets $3000, we just dont pay $3000 for a fresh ITE grad even with same skills.
For your info, MOE dont even recruit ITE graduates. can u tell me why?actually if you have the right connections, you wouldn't even be in ITE. imho, i think that ITE just trains a different set of skills as compared to JC/Poly after all not everyone can be educated in the same manner. they might not be suited for some jobs, or maybe many jobs but some of them sure can carve out their niches someplace else.
i didn't, in any way whatsoever, imply that ITE graduates are better than JC graduates or the other way round. the only point made here was that the graduates, whether from ITE or poly or JC would be more suited for jobs depending on what they had learnt from their respective institutions. -
Are you referring to ITE grads who stopped their education at ite level or continued to furthur study?Originally posted by codename4:If ITE grads are so good, u will find them as CEOs or directors etc. Stop defending your alma mater for goodness sake. Everyone knows that in every society, there is bound to be someone who is respected and someone who will be looked down upon. -
actually, i just wanted to refer you to the exampel of mr tan khoon since you wanted an example of a successful ITE graduate, nothing moreOriginally posted by codename4:i cant believe that u actually believe the government "respect" ITE graduates?
If ITE grads are so good, can u ask Teo Chee Hean to send his kids to ITE? -
they might. maybe cos they don't want a fast turnover or they believe he is overqualified.Originally posted by codename4:Look, if the NUS grads WANTs the job for $1200, u think the company will still choose the ITE grad over the NUS grad? In terms of prestige and communication etc, ESP ENGLISH, the nus grad beats the ITE grads hands down.
you got hear about pple not reporting about their masters or some other higher qualification when they go apply for jobs?? -
and sorry but the is mr tan khoon?!Originally posted by angelfairy:actually, i just wanted to refer you to the exampel of mr tan khoon since you wanted an example of a successful ITE graduate, nothing more
I am talking about ITE graduates who only have ITE certs. Can they deliver as well as NUS grads?