Because of 2 captured soldiers...
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it is all U.S. misdoing.
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to those that will never understand what it is to be violated of ur peace, love ones and especially of freedom and survival, please refrain from strong words.
feelings n emotions we have it all but we can never truly understand the on-goings behind the 2 nations etc.
it is regrettable for such a skirmish to happen but let us remember that Israel is here all bcos she has managed to survived long enough to ward off malicious and vindictive attacks on her people, civilian and military alike.
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Originally posted by hoganrock:
BLUFF. WHERE IS THE PROOF CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF? IF YOU CANNOT SHOW ME THE PROOF THEN YOU BLUFF YOU BEDEK.
... a war has started.
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Actually to stop the skirmish is simple. Since there are more of their ppl in Middle East, Israelis should capitulate and convert and pay homage to be with their neighbors. Like tat everyone happy and peace will prevail in Middle East.Originally posted by tiggersgd:since we're not there, stop the disputes. pointless.
Hopefully with peace restored, the price of oil should come down and every other nations ard the world can go on doing their business and life as usual. A win win situation for the whole world don't you all think so? Israelis should think macro and not micro. So for the peace of whole Humankind please do us this sacred duty bestowed upon you to execute
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They did but the problem is the terrorist still try to disturb the Isreali... I think there is no right or wrong in this situation only that a logical action here.Originally posted by sohguanh:Actually to stop the skirmish is simple. Since there are more of their ppl in Middle East, Israelis should capitulate and convert and pay homage to be with their neighbors. Like tat everyone happy and peace will prevail in Middle East.
Hopefully with peace restored, the price of oil should come down and every other nations ard the world can go on doing their business and life as usual. A win win situation for the whole world don't you all think so? Israelis should think macro and not micro. So for the peace of whole Humankind please do us this sacred duty bestowed upon you to execute
If USA or Singapore were to face with the same problem being attacked by terrorist I think our military will react exactly the same. -
Errr... when you meant they did, you refer to their withdrawal of troops from some conquered lands? That to me is not capitulation. Full capitulation is award Palestine the autonomy they deserved and recognised Palestine as a soverign nation. Giving back the Golan Heights is one other step they should take.Originally posted by banzie:They did but the problem is the terrorist still try to disturb the Isreali... I think there is no right or wrong in this situation only that a logical action here.
I am very keen to know from your definition what steps are taken to infer that THEY DID? -
Originally posted by banzie:
You mean We take over johor, cut it off from much of the outside world, then built singa town everywhere with roads, breaking up johor into small pieces. You don't expect 'terrorist' attacked on Singapore proper ??
They did but the problem is the terrorist still try to disturb the Isreali... I think there is no right or wrong in this situation only that a logical action here.
If USA or Singapore were to face with the same problem being attacked by terrorist I think our military will react exactly the same. -
eh harl0w. israel dont exsit after the 1960s. it is a 'nation' created by your belobed USA and Britian ang moh tua kee to settle the misplaced jews there after war world 2.
they transport them there in millons and droves there after world war 2. so these jews in big numbers in plastince, becum a nation. that picec of land call plastine or plasticine or watever was originally settled by arabs and as israel created their nation displace many.
these ang mohs so so that israle can perfrom their interest and act as 'Foward Base' in the oil rich middle east. US and britian eyeing the oilrich middle east. they wan to control world economy. hmm wat else.
so much so for your war aganist terror Bull$hit. all ang moh cock scukers before u spew your guts go read some books ok!!
read some history ok!!
dont just suck ang moh c0ck just becos they more tau kee then you ok!! -
1 more free lesson of the day.
u know why bush dare to attack iraq?
becos he knows there is no Weapons of mas destruction there
look at north korea the nuclear power.
bush dare to touch them? at most he kao pei here there abit.
he knows the kim dude will bomb him to kingdom cum if he trys anything funny!!
Sun Tzu once says All political negotians are backed by military might. and military might alone. otherwise wich your talk will carry no weight. ie a clown
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Wait a minute.. I have re-read the article http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html and those two Israeli soldiers were abducted in Lebanon.Originally posted by Uncle_MooMoo:I assume you're talking about this paragraph:
"Also, they add that the Israeli tank destroyed by Hezbollah, and the soldiers captured and killed on July 12, had trespassed into Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. "
Wasn't that exactly what I told you? There was a tank that went in immediately after the incursion.
The 2soldiers were kidnapped from a patrol inside Israel's own sovereign borders. They were in a humvee, CNN had footages of it. Right after, a tank went in after Hezbollah and was destroyed too, it's crew killed.
Don't try to include misleading information unless you want your other posts to be doubted from now on.Also, they add that the Israeli tank destroyed by Hezbollah, and the soldiers captured and killed on July 12, had trespassed into Lebanon's side of the border with Israel.
It all started on July 12 when Israel troops were ambushed on Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. Hezbollah, which commands the Lebanese south, immediately seized on their crossing. They arrested two Israeli soldiers, killed eight Israelis and wounded over 20 in attacks inside Israeli territory.
Asia times article has been confirmed by French media
http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html
Excerpts from the second paragraph translatedHezbollah requires since long years the release of prisoners held by Israel, such as Samir el Kantar, imprisoned since 1978, Nassim Nisr and Yahia Skaff which is imprisoned since 1982. In many occasion, it let know that the weather would not fail to be captive in its turn Israeli soldiers - if Ci-that-Ci had been suddenly introduced in Lebanon, and to use them like monnaire of exchange. In a deliberated way, Tsahal sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aïta Al Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, making two prisoners. Israel A then pretends to be attacked and attacked Lebanon. Hezbollah, which prepared to face an Israeli aggression that each one knew imminent since the Syrian withdrawal, drew from the intermediate-range missiles on Israel
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.htmlSelon la police libanaise, les deux soldats ont été capturés en territoire libanais, dans la région de Aïta al-Chaab près de la frontière, alors que la télévision israélienne a indiqué qu'ils avaient été capturés en territoire israélien.
TranslatedAccording to the Lebanese police force, the two soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab close to the border, whereas Israeli television indicated that they had been captured in Israeli territory.
Uncle_MooMoo, you nearly duped me..
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Thanks for the nincompoop idea. Since the diaspora, the Jews decided enough was enough and stopped running from their enemies. Why should they be capitulate each and every demand?Originally posted by sohguanh:Actually to stop the skirmish is simple. Since there are more of their ppl in Middle East, Israelis should capitulate and convert and pay homage to be with their neighbors. Like tat everyone happy and peace will prevail in Middle East.
Hopefully with peace restored, the price of oil should come down and every other nations ard the world can go on doing their business and life as usual. A win win situation for the whole world don't you all think so? Israelis should think macro and not micro. So for the peace of whole Humankind please do us this sacred duty bestowed upon you to execute -
true. U.S. only hit countries that cannot retaliate.Originally posted by killstyle:1 more free lesson of the day.
u know why bush dare to attack iraq?
becos he knows there is no Weapons of mas destruction there
look at north korea the nuclear power.
bush dare to touch them? at most he kao pei here there abit.
he knows the kim dude will bomb him to kingdom cum if he trys anything funny!!
Sun Tzu once says All political negotians are backed by military might. and military might alone. otherwise wich your talk will carry no weight. ie a clown
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very true. so sad that the media bias can mislead those who dont find out enuff. with military might, black become white, murderer becomes hero. those who cannot tahan try to "solve it" by violent means, and it goes round in circles.Originally posted by killstyle:1 more free lesson of the day.
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Sun Tzu once says All political negotians are backed by military might. and military might alone. otherwise wich your talk will carry no weight. ie a clown
understand?
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where go kidnapping??Originally posted by MobyDog:Because Israel has been kidnapping and assissinating at will for the past 30 yrs across their border, without much Western concern... How's that.
There are about 2500 Lebanese men, women and children in Israel Jail without trail. Traditionally, there were prisoners exchanges, but Israel says "The rule has changed". Also only Israel have the right to bomb other countries, for their own fault, when they Retaliate.. their terrorist.
Those two well armed soldiers were caught inside lebanon... why are they there in the first place. Any country would do the same.. wouldn't you - detain them.
those were arrests made when israel occupied lebanon
the soldiers were kidnapped by terrorists who dug a tunnel into israel
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if a country cannot even attack in self-defence, might as well roll over n play dead lah.Originally posted by MobyDog:Try loh...
Send ther rangers across johor to attack malaysian military post.. and when caught .. bomb them to the 19th century .. and when they retaliate... bomb them some more.. and says it's "self defence". See what happen ..
You think we are Israel.. ah.. you think we have a strong Lobby in the US ?? Armed with free weapons by US... Protected by US ??? UN PeaceKeeping veto by US for our sake ???
Try Loh...
how would u like to be the soldier who ganna kidnapped by malaysian n singapore just sit on it
laugh at that
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Originally posted by Kenashi:if a country cannot even attack in self-defence, might as well roll over n play dead lah.
how would u like to be the soldier who ganna kidnapped by malaysian n singapore just sit on it
laugh at that 
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well, the allied forces promised to give them a homeland after WWII.Originally posted by dragg:the land that the israelis are now on belongs to the palestinians!!! he robbed them of their land and now give them back a small piece. so are the palestinians supposed to say thank you?
the palestinians didn't argue about that when their lands were ceded to the jews.
the palestinians wanted more lands which started the war n they lost, too bad.
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there is always photoshop or fake photosOriginally posted by MobyDog:So what's the Thing that those Israeli's soldiers are holding ???
As for Electronic voting fraud.. he is not the only author commenting on it. Research on this issue more thoroughly yourself.. there are many similar articles out there.. But I'm not interested.. -
then there are more chinese n indian in this world, should the rest of the world capitulate, convert n pay homage??Originally posted by sohguanh:Actually to stop the skirmish is simple. Since there are more of their ppl in Middle East, Israelis should capitulate and convert and pay homage to be with their neighbors. Like tat everyone happy and peace will prevail in Middle East.
Hopefully with peace restored, the price of oil should come down and every other nations ard the world can go on doing their business and life as usual. A win win situation for the whole world don't you all think so? Israelis should think macro and not micro. So for the peace of whole Humankind please do us this sacred duty bestowed upon you to execute -
ya right, can u say that the palestinian won't ask for more if israel give in to their demands??Originally posted by sohguanh:Errr... when you meant they did, you refer to their withdrawal of troops from some conquered lands? That to me is not capitulation. Full capitulation is award Palestine the autonomy they deserved and recognised Palestine as a soverign nation. Giving back the Golan Heights is one other step they should take.
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Originally posted by MobyDog:
look at this :
[b]Uncle_MooMoo, you nearly duped me.. [/b]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel_clash
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060712/D8IQHO007.html -
sun tzu's ideas are outdated liaoOriginally posted by killstyle:1 more free lesson of the day.
u know why bush dare to attack iraq?
becos he knows there is no Weapons of mas destruction there
look at north korea the nuclear power.
bush dare to touch them? at most he kao pei here there abit.
he knows the kim dude will bomb him to kingdom cum if he trys anything funny!!
Sun Tzu once says All political negotians are backed by military might. and military might alone. otherwise wich your talk will carry no weight. ie a clown
understand?
now is who got more weapons n ain't afraid to use it that carry weights.
nobody got more nukes than USA but they are afraid of retaliation that's why the north korea dictator can demand this n that -
Your harebrained idea is excellent. But the solution can be much simpler...Originally posted by sohguanh:Actually to stop the skirmish is simple. Since there are more of their ppl in Middle East, Israelis should capitulate and convert and pay homage to be with their neighbors. Like tat everyone happy and peace will prevail in Middle East.
Hopefully with peace restored, the price of oil should come down and every other nations ard the world can go on doing their business and life as usual. A win win situation for the whole world don't you all think so? Israelis should think macro and not micro. So for the peace of whole Humankind please do us this sacred duty bestowed upon you to execute
Have Israel NUKE Iran, Syria and Southern Lebanon. Couple of hundred nukes should do it. Steralize the whole area and turn them into nuclear wastelands. Then Israel will have the buffer zones they always wanted and no Arab state will encroach for fear of radioactive poisoning....
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So by your claim, we should start making assumptions about what they do and what they don't do? Where is the substance in your argument?Originally posted by MobyDog:They do it to activist, militants and henchman all the same. You don't generally read it in the news , doesn't mean they didn't do it. Read more APs.
You should start with History rather than APs, since you have little inkling of the history behind the two sides. All you post are anti-Israeli claims based on conspiracy theorists like Wayne Madsen, who incidently have no factual background information and just sprout hearsay and publish fantastic stories for publicity.
Incidently, since you conveniently forget what you post, let me help you reiterate:On the matter, on peace. I believe during the truce, Israel did not keep theirs, they con't to kidnap and knock off Hamas and palestinian leaders. When they retaliate, see what the news says.. Palestinians started it.
So why say kidnap if you meant assassinate? If you really want to dwell in technicalities of the English Language, where is your 'either/or' inference? The innuendo here is both kidnap AND assassinate. Stop trying to twist and turn your own statements to meet your own agenda.
As for those helpful links regarding CAPTURED Palestinian Aggressors, having read them yourself, you should well know that they were captured and interrogated for organising homicide bombings and other acts of aggression. The Fatah Chief and other detainees are high-level prisoners with significant intelligence to offer Israel. They are NOT being traded or offered in exchange for land or ceasefire but are interned for their roles in the killing of civilians and acts of terrorism.
Since you confuse KIDNAP and CAPTURE, answer this then: what reason did Hezbollah have to make an aggressive cross-border raid and 'capture' two low-ranked soldiers who have no real intelligence purpose?
Why did they then demand for the release of prisoners held in Israeli jails in EXCHANGE for the two 'captured' soldiers? Isn't that a clear case of extortion and ransom?
How should Israel respond to that? What do you suggest? What alternatives do you offer?
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Since your provide such a incredible example, should we take your posts seriously?Originally posted by MobyDog:You mean We take over johor, cut it off from much of the outside world, then built singa town everywhere with roads, breaking up johor into small pieces. You don't expect 'terrorist' attacked on Singapore proper ??
Will the SG govt suddenly go insanely dictorial overnight and order an invasion of Johor? And for what - water? More land perhaps?
Conflicts can be solved without the need for terrorist activities. Kuwait was liberated from Iraq without the need to resort to terrorism. The Argentines were driven out of the Falklands without the use or need of terrorist tactics.