He flouts it, and she becomes pregnant. now, she hates son f
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one reply you want to quote how many timesOriginally posted by blu_sky:And com'on! you mean this situation is different in other countries? Other countries' women cant hold men in hostage? Only singapore women can?
Dont suka suka anyhow say, anyhow complain leh
i'm sayign in singapore becuase we are in a singapore context and i don't know about the whole world so i cannot say the world.
even if the whole world does something, it does not make it right meerely accepted.
yes you can say that if you want to have sex then accept the consequences but notice that women have one more u-turn point provided by law and thats the decision to abort.
men don't have that chance/choice and yet have to pay for the choice the women makes. coming from a viewpoint that both parties should be responsible for their choices, don't you think that the man should be made less responsible considering the deprivation of choice?
what happens if the pregnancy occured when contraception failed? note precuations done and taken to reasonable limits, the man is still "held hostage" as you mentioned in your post -
well the choice to penetrate is yours. once you decide to launch , you have to bear all consequences, no matter how unfair the world is to man when it comes to this , and me of all man still believeOriginally posted by hisoka:one reply you want to quote how many times
i'm sayign in singapore becuase we are in a singapore context and i don't know about the whole world so i cannot say the world.
even if the whole world does something, it does not make it right meerely accepted.
yes you can say that if you want to have sex then accept the consequences but notice that women have one more u-turn point provided by law and thats the decision to abort.
men don't have that chance/choice and yet have to pay for the choice the women makes. coming from a viewpoint that both parties should be responsible for their choices, don't you think that the man should be made less responsible considering the deprivation of choice?
what happens if the pregnancy occured when contraception failed? note precuations done and taken to reasonable limits, the man is still "held hostage" as you mentioned in your post
that if you have the balls to do it to someone , you should have the balls to take the responsibility! if not, wear 2 condoms!
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Originally posted by hisoka:one reply you want to quote how many times --> That is because your post is so fundamentally irresponsible, and yet still want to victimize singapore women, like singapore women are the only ones in this world that can 'hold men in hostage'. If you think so, don't fxxk singapore women lah, go overseas and do their chicks.
i'm sayign in singapore becuase we are in a singapore context and i don't know about the whole world so i cannot say the world.
even if the whole world does something, it does not make it right meerely accepted.
yes you can say that if you want to have sex then accept the consequences but notice that women have one more u-turn point provided by law and thats the decision to abort.
men don't have that chance/choice and yet have to pay for the choice the women makes. coming from a viewpoint that both parties should be responsible for their choices, don't you think that the man should be made less responsible considering the deprivation of choice?
what happens if the pregnancy occured when contraception failed? note precuations done and taken to reasonable limits, the man is still "held hostage" as you mentioned in your post ---> That is life. Women were not given a choice when given the responsibility on child bearing too! -
i mean if some lady i had sex with ten years ago turn up with a ten year old kid and says he is mine , and the dna test prove it so , i will take full responsibility! and my wife will understand and support me because thats the right thing to do!
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i better save your ass in case you decide to play "safe"Originally posted by Space1999:well the choice to penetrate is yours. once you decide to launch , you have to bear all consequences, no matter how unfair the world is to man when it comes to this , and me of all man still believe
that if you have the balls to do it to someone , you should have the balls to take the responsibility! if not, wear 2 condoms!
wearing 2 condoms actually increases the chances of failure................
the law is biased against men and thus i'm pointing it out. you can choose to just accept it and lie down but thats your choice. -
x 2Originally posted by Space1999:well the choice to penetrate is yours. once you decide to launch , you have to bear all consequences, no matter how unfair the world is to man when it comes to this , and me of all man still believe
that if you have the balls to do it to someone , you should have the balls to take the responsibility! if not, wear 2 condoms!
Do not want to take responsibility, then dun fxxk! -
yeah , i do the ass just to be safe...Originally posted by hisoka:i better save your ass in case you decide to play "safe"
wearing 2 condoms actually increases the chances of failure................
the law is biased against men and thus i'm pointing it out. you can choose to just accept it and lie down but thats your choice.
and wearing two condoms?that is a joke 
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On child bearing, nature is bias against women, so law has to make it up in that aspect!Originally posted by hisoka:i better save your ass in case you decide to play "safe"
wearing 2 condoms actually increases the chances of failure................
the law is biased against men and thus i'm pointing it out. you can choose to just accept it and lie down but thats your choice.
Be fair. Turn the table around. if men had been given the responsibiliy on child bearing (not by choice), wouldnt you have hoped that women will have to take the same responsibility? -
still never expalin why you need to quote 2 times.Originally posted by blu_sky:
that life not law, its nature not man made or imposed. -
x2Originally posted by Space1999:yeah , i do the ass just to be safe... and wearing two condoms?that is a joke
the things you said just made us guys look bad.
I'm thankful that i do not meet men who harbour such thoughts! -
but i have to agree also singapore woman especially the older ones are complicated...the younger ones started out fine, then the contamination and corruption that all man are bad starts to set it.
that leave even the nicest guy with the nicest intention subject to all sorts of witchhunt by the bandidos
love and relationship should be simple like my younger times, thats why i married my wife,she is beautiful , simple , accept my flaws , love my sense of humor and we get it on at least 3 times a week
and the most important thing i know what she wants , how ?because she tells me exactly what she wants and there is no guessing involved. -
Originally posted by hisoka:still never expalin why you need to quote 2 times. ---> wau lau! you eyes completely blocked with thoughts of irresponsible sex ah!? i said in bold and colored red, cos you are so so so so WRONG! MUST EMPHASIZE.
that life not law, its nature not man made or imposed. ---> Law can be changed, nature cannot be changed. For that, you should be thankful already. If you are still not happy with such laws, go to countries without such laws lah, that is if you can find one. Go find a country where you can fxxk the women irresponsibly! Without men like that, singapore women are in safe hands! -
Pardon me for my curiosity, if your marriage life is so happy, then why are you still looking for flings outside?Originally posted by Space1999:but i have to agree also singapore woman especially the older ones are complicated...the younger ones started out fine, then the contamination and corruption that all man are bad starts to set it.
that leave even the nicest guy with the nicest intention subject to all sorts of witchhunt by the bandidos
love and relationship should be simple like my younger times, thats why i married my wife,she is beautiful , simple , accept my flaws , love my sense of humor and we get it on at least 3 times a week
and the most important thing i know what she wants , how ?because she tells me exactly what she wants and there is no guessing involved. -
thats why we are given the guns, how we use it and where we use it defines us.Originally posted by hisoka:still never expalin why you need to quote 2 times.
that life not law, its nature not man made or imposed.
some man uses their guns lawlessly and in the process defiles it.
some man keep it well holstered until they find a good use for it
if you want to be a bandit , be prepared to go to jail -
sigh, can you differentiate between flirtations and the real thing? did i ever really private message you for real dates? if im really interested in dating you i would have done that.Originally posted by blu_sky:Pardon me for my curiosity, if your marriage life is so happy, then why are you still looking for flings outside?
you know what is a joke and what is not a joke?
sorry to be blunt , you are really not my cup of tea. you will be the exact woman that i will not date in real life.
my wife reads this forum too and she takes my jokes here with a pinch of salt. -
x2Originally posted by Space1999:thats why we are given the guns, how we use it and where we use it defines us.
some man uses their guns lawlessly and in the process defiles it.
some man keep it well holstered until they find a good use for it
if you want to be a bandit , be prepared to go to jail
With great power, comes great responsibility.
You cant want the power, yet shirk the responsibility.
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Good to hear that!Originally posted by Space1999:sigh, can you differentiate between flirtations and the real thing? did i ever really private message you for real dates? if im really interested in dating you i would have done that.
you know what is a joke and what is not a joke?
sorry to be blunt , you are really not my cup of tea. you will be the exact woman that i will not date in real life.
my wife reads this forum too and she takes my jokes here with a pinch of salt.
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i know that nature has been "unfair" ( well i know pple who say they enjoy the carrying to term, connection, etc but lets jsut ignore that)Originally posted by blu_sky:On child bearing, nature is bias against women, so law has to make it up in that aspect!
Be fair. Turn the table around. if men had been given the responsibiliy on child bearing (not by choice), wouldnt you have hoped that women will have to take the same responsibility?
to be fair, i would say that i want the women to be responsible and take up everythign but then thats just me being selfish....
logically, assuming that men bore children, i would say the men need to bear responsibility but, since the ultimate decision to have the child doesn't lie on the women and they have no choice at all, they have reduced responsibilties. the initial decision to fxxk was joint but the last decision is unilateral therefore the unilateral decision maker should bear more responsibilties.
especially true if both did the act not wanting a child and sufficient and reasonable precuations were taken. -
thank you , im trying to give my prespective as an ex player and now a married man.
marriage stabilise my life and its only possible because i have a good co pilot, although everybody would love to think they are special and unique but i can honestly tell you
whatever you are going through , there is a good possiblity others have been there before.and i believe a relationship is a give and take relationship
no matter how pretty you are or how handsome you are , if you are the one who is constantly taking and the other party doing all the giving, remember this word
karma
so back to the topic , that tragedy happened because there is no equal giving and taking and the karma is the men forcibly forced the taking part resulting in this sad state of affair. all the changes should be voluntarily and sometimes a conscious act to make things more habitable for all occupants.
god bless you all unmarried souls -
Yes, i would agree with you that the decision is with the child, not the mother. But now, the woman is carrying the baby in her body, who should have the rights to say what is to be done with the woman's body? After all, please bear in mind, it is the woman's body we are talkin about. There are alot of risk with abortion, which include permanent ones like difficulty for future pregnancies, please be more caring to your girlfriends when it comes to this.Originally posted by hisoka:i know that nature has been "unfair" ( well i know pple who say they enjoy the carrying to term, connection, etc but lets jsut ignore that)
to be fair, i would say that i want the women to be responsible and take up everythign but then thats just me being selfish....
logically, assuming that men bore children, i would say the men need to bear responsibility but, since the ultimate decision to have the child doesn't lie on the women and they have no choice at all, they have reduced responsibilties. the initial decision to fxxk was joint but the last decision is unilateral therefore the unilateral decision maker should bear more responsibilties.
especially true if both did the act not wanting a child and sufficient and reasonable precuations were taken.
Yes, the "initial decision to fxxk" is a joint one. but during that "decision makin process" (if there is one), did both discuss "if pregnant --> abort"? -
condoms have a failure percentage, the only sufficient precautions is not to have sexual intercourse. let me put it simply , the only way you dont have to get a child safely is to go to geylang, dont worry they wont look for youOriginally posted by hisoka:i know that nature has been "unfair" ( well i know pple who say they enjoy the carrying to term, connection, etc but lets jsut ignore that)
to be fair, i would say that i want the women to be responsible and take up everythign but then thats just me being selfish....
logically, assuming that men bore children, i would say the men need to bear responsibility but, since the ultimate decision to have the child doesn't lie on the women and they have no choice at all, they have reduced responsibilties. the initial decision to fxxk was joint but the last decision is unilateral therefore the unilateral decision maker should bear more responsibilties.
especially true if both did the act not wanting a child and sufficient and reasonable precuations were taken. -
your eyes are the ones with problem. you quoted my post twice in 2 different posts and then came up with a completely unrelated argument when i asked you about it.Originally posted by blu_sky:
the law can be changed which is why i am point it out. nature cannot be , or is hard to change and i never said anythign about wanting to change them. you idea is interesting, so you would advise just running and not even try to change things when you encounter things that are wrong with your country? don't you realise that changing things is also a valid way to go about it? perhaps the country would be better without pple who just run at the slightest problems and have no grumption, loyalty or inclination to work towards the betterment of the society -
not to mention stretchmarks, sagging breast, hormonal imbalance, yucks, how could be fair, by the way did you thank your mother for giving birth to you ?Originally posted by blu_sky:Yes, i would agree with you that the decision is with the child, not the mother. But now, the woman is carrying the baby in her body, who should have the rights to say what is to be done with the woman's body? After all, please bear in mind, it is the woman's body we are talkin about. There are alot of risk with abortion, which include permanent ones like difficulty for future pregnancies, please be more caring to your girlfriends when it comes to this.
Yes, the "initial decision to fxxk" is a joint one. but during that "decision makin process" (if there is one), did both discuss "if pregnant --> abort"? -
for curiousity sake\what would you change?Originally posted by hisoka:your eyes are the ones with problem. you quoted my post twice in 2 different posts and then came up with a completely unrelated argument when i asked you about it.
the law can be changed which is why i am point it out. nature cannot be , or is hard to change and i never said anythign about wanting to change them. you idea is interesting, so you would advise just running and not even try to change things when you encounter things that are wrong with your country? don't you realise that changing things is also a valid way to go about it? perhaps the country would be better without pple who just run at the slightest problems and have no grumption, loyalty or inclination to work towards the betterment of the society -
I agree with you.Originally posted by Space1999:thank you , im trying to give my prespective as an ex player and now a married man.
marriage stabilise my life and its only possible because i have a good co pilot, although everybody would love to think they are special and unique but i can honestly tell you
whatever you are going through , there is a good possiblity others have been there before.and i believe a relationship is a give and take relationship
no matter how pretty you are or how handsome you are , if you are the one who is constantly taking and the other party doing all the giving, remember this word
karma
so back to the topic , that tragedy happened because there is no equal giving and taking and the karma is the men forcibly forced the taking part resulting in this sad state of affair. all the changes should be voluntarily and sometimes a conscious act to make things more habitable for all occupants.
god bless you all unmarried souls
make the relationship a very happy one, that would be the way to keep both parties in the relationship happily.