Big 4 Firms
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u r from pwc?Originally posted by blu_sky:x2
But if you dun mind working super duper damn long hours, they can offer quite good exposure and market value.
actually PWC may not require you to work as long hours as others. Depends on your luck! -
PWC is the most difficult to get in.Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:icic.. i looked at the websites of the big 4 firms ar.. apparently pwc seems to b the best place to go.. any1 here works in pwc?
If you are not second upper or first class honors in NTU or SMU, can forget about it.
The other big 3 on the other hand are dam easy to get in.
Actually, in today job market, why bother with the audit firms?
Low starting pay - $2,000 and super long hours.
Go work in banks better. Starting pay $2,500 and not as long working hours and more bonus. Increament in banks can be a lot too. -
huh.. they want min 2nd upper ar? if i get 2nd upper, i go bank liao lo, who still wanna work in audit firm.. haha..Originally posted by marcuz1977:PWC is the most difficult to get in.
If you are not second upper or first class honors in NTU or SMU, can forget about it.
The other big 3 on the other hand are dam easy to get in.
Actually, in today job market, why bother with the audit firms?
Low starting pay - $2,000 and super long hours.
Go work in banks better. Starting pay $2,500 and not as long working hours and more bonus. Increament in banks can be a lot too. -
Audit firms are like stepping stones, unless you really are a workaholic. Good exposure since you'll be out in the field frequently.
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Precisely, thats why the audit firms are severely understaffed now. But their top management dun really care much. The starting pay has been stagnant for long time. 2,000 bucks has been around since 2001?Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:huh.. they want min 2nd upper ar? if i get 2nd upper, i go bank liao lo, who still wanna work in audit firm.. haha.. -
Yup. The compensation policy determines how people behave. But sooner or later, they will have to increase the starting salary to attract more people when their reputation goes down the drain.
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you seem to know about the big 4.Originally posted by Parka: Yup. The compensation policy determines how people behave. But sooner or later, they will have to increase the starting salary to attract more people when their reputation goes down the drain.
in your opinion which one is the better one(s)? -
PricewaterhouseCoopers......Originally posted by alexkusu:Ernst & Young?
Pricewaterhouse?
those counted ah -
there is no such thing as to which one is better.... all the big 4 have various clientele which made them great for industry exposure. More than 70% of the listed firms in singapore are with the big 4, hence, you will get the most exposure. PwC and EY are the larger players relative to KPMG and Del. Hence, they are able to recruit abit more than the latter two. Having said all the above, whether you end up with a good exposure or work experience or not, depends on alot of factors too.Originally posted by marcuz1977:you seem to know about the big 4.
in your opinion which one is the better one(s)?
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Originally posted by marcuz1977:you seem to know about the big 4.
in your opinion which one is the better one(s)? Most of my friends work in EY & PWC.
Which one is better? Depends on what criteria you're using to judge them. But they are not really that different. -
Why didn't they choose KP or DT?Originally posted by Parka: Most of my friends work in EY & PWC.
Which one is better? Depends on what criteria you're using to judge them. But they are not really that different. -
Originally posted by marcuz1977:Why didn't they choose KP or DT? I think it's the other way round. Why didn't KP and DT choose them?
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haha impossibleOriginally posted by Parka: I think it's the other way round. Why didn't KP and DT choose them?
KP and DT will surely offer them a place one
They can try again now. -
work in big 4 only good for exposure... renumeration is pathetic
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got one fren in DT, the other in PWC. actually there is nothing much to compare one lah.
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the culture is v impt.. i noe kpmg's culture is very open.. all like fren fren one.. i dun realli like those where they play rank..
i v interested in pwc leh, but according to marcus its v hard to get it.. haiz.. -
KPMG, Deloite Touche, Pricewaterhouse Coopers, Ernst & Young
I heard accountants no life arh? Wahlao, I want to have life also leh.. Basket work my ass off but cannot enjoy for what sia.. Work with bank good is it? -
Yes bank is good. All banks give u over 20 days of leave annually even if you are fresh grads. 3 mths bonus is common in banks. OT can claim higher amount of dinner money. Pay rise with promotion can be very significant.Originally posted by dinky1409:KPMG, Deloite Touche, Pricewaterhouse Coopers, Ernst & Young
I heard accountants no life arh? Wahlao, I want to have life also leh.. Basket work my ass off but cannot enjoy for what sia.. Work with bank good is it?
But banks more office politics and more prone to retrenchment during bad times. -
Which banks are the best to work for in terms of environment n benefits..?
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Poly attachment (6 months) with Deloitte..Very fun and professional. I was attached to the audit team... I thought wat i would be doing would be photocopying or making coffee instead, i went to field audit with the audit team... make use of me only
but it's really an eye opening experience...alot and alot of lessons i learnt was at Deloitte. Mrs Chandra, the VP, was kind enough to call me now and then, asking my progress in school now...I was even invinted to their D&D also -
my fren work in banks very stressful one.
gimme i oso dun wan. -
aiyah... Work in big 4 for what... Pay is lously in the first couple of years...plus the super long hours. when u reach senior levels, the pay is okay, but u are expected to put in even longer hours.
By year 3, most of your peers at the senior level will start quitting...then the good thing is tat that remaining work gets passed round. U have to put in more hours to finish the job.
Actually auditing is not a really bad field to go into. just that it takes a heavy toll on your health and social life. (thats true for other professionals, investment bankers, lawyers). Its not for those who value stability and regular working hours.
Btw not True that PWC only recuits 2nd upper and above lah...Lst class and 2nd upper mostly won go Big 4 anyway due to better opportunities in the foreign banks, MNCS and Civil Service. -
Need what grades to go to Big4 work ah?
Anyway, I heard from my friends that NTU direct honours does not mean everyone gets it. Only the very good ones will get honours even if it is like 2nd lower. -
i think office politics are inevitable regardless where you go...Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:the culture is v impt.. i noe kpmg's culture is very open.. all like fren fren one.. i dun realli like those where they play rank..
i v interested in pwc leh, but according to marcus its v hard to get it.. haiz..
just a matter of how bad it is