if u want me to believe in god......

• missqi

  11 Dec 06, 06:03

  nobody gives a damn, whether u believe in god or not
• Herzog_Zwei

  11 Dec 06, 11:43

  Originally posted by missqi:

  nobody gives a damn, whether u believe in god or not

  Or whether god cares about you either...
• MyPillowTalks

  11 Dec 06, 11:47

  alright, if u believe in god, u believe, if u dun, u dun....isn't that easy?
• ReinaTanaka

  11 Dec 06, 12:41

  Originally posted by fymk:

  Then prove to me there is no god .

  need to prove de meh?
  
  anynoe here actually thinks that ppl who go church really believe that god exists. i doubt so
• stupidissmart

  11 Dec 06, 13:17

  hmmm you think a God will be a magician just to entertain a mere human....Then don't bother.... Enjoy yourself while in hell...

  There r too many lies in this world mah... we cannot believe in everything tat was told... in the past god acts like magician too and perform many miracles otherwise even the people in the past don't believe him
• <Precious>

  11 Dec 06, 13:32

  What you are asking for is knowledge. When you have knowledge, there is no more necessity for faith. Only faith precedes miracles. If you have no faith, even if God shows you heaven and/or hell, you will still not believe..........
  
  Everywhere around us all the time, we see lots of miracles but choose to rationalise and reduce them to science blah blah to become knowledge. Yet we refuse to acknowledge the existence of God.....?
• Space1999

  11 Dec 06, 13:34

  Originally posted by january:

  ask him to organise an excursion to his home in heaven, hell or whatever you call it.
  
  at his heaven home, ask him to produce some magic which i have never seen before and bring me around the galaxy.
  
  ask him to convince that he is real then i would declare myself as non atheist.

  to see all the injustice in the world, the killings and massacre in africa, the unpunished criminals and politicians who are corrupted and yet rewarded for their evil. the fact that daily occurence of might is right,
  honestly , do any of us believe in god anymore?
• stupidissmart

  11 Dec 06, 13:56

  What you are asking for is knowledge. When you have knowledge, there is no more necessity for faith. Only faith precedes miracles. If you have no faith, even if God shows you heaven and/or hell, you will still not believe..........

  If u have faith, u can believe in anything like cults or any fairy tales. Science do not require faith, yet people will still believe in it because there is evidence, is repeatable and encourage questioning. If god shows me heaven and hell and it is really true, then I will believe in him. Who won't ? Who like eternal suffering ? The reason why people don't believe in him is really because it is not true to them. If god shows them irrefutable truth, who will be crazy to go against him ?
  
  

  Everywhere around us all the time, we see lots of miracles but choose to rationalise and reduce them to science blah blah to become knowledge. Yet we refuse to acknowledge the existence of God.....?

  Miracles ? like ? Why is it god and not buddha or alien or invisible pink unicorn ?
  
  God have to show to people like closing of the red sea, rain of fire death of first born etc to make people believe in him more. Isn't he like a magician then to convince people he is true ?
• CyNdI)4.eVa

  11 Dec 06, 18:40

  i dun believe in god(s) too. but i still go to a church becos i believe the goodness the church teaches.
• davidche

  11 Dec 06, 19:45

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  Miracles ? like ? Why is it god and not buddha or alien or invisible pink unicorn ?
  
  God have to show to people like closing of the red sea, rain of fire death of first born etc to make people believe in him more. Isn't he like a magician then to convince people he is true ?

  i know you are very clever since you use knowledge to validate everything. and yes, everything.
  
  (1)Can i ask how many percent stable is the place you are at right now?
  (2)Or are you using what you call as 'blind faith' believeing tha the place you are at now will not topple and crash???
  
  I am sure the answer is (2)
• bladez87

  11 Dec 06, 20:15

  ticket fare. your life
• SexyChin

  11 Dec 06, 20:32

  Originally posted by davidche:

  i know you are very clever since you use knowledge to validate everything. and yes, everything.
  
  (1)Can i ask how many percent stable is the place you are at right now?
  (2)Or are you using what you call as 'blind faith' believeing tha the place you are at now will not topple and crash???
  
  I am sure the answer is (2)

  Blind faith?
  
  No way man.
  
  I believe in the people who construct my house, the people who made the materials to build my house and the people who sold me my house.
  
  Not just blind faith.
  
  
• davidche

  11 Dec 06, 20:58

  Originally posted by SexyChin:

  Blind faith?
  
  No way man.
  
  I believe in the people who construct my house, the people who made the materials to build my house and the people who sold me my house.
  
  Not just blind faith.
  
  

  exactly, we see that we use faith in many places.
  Then why is it religion that we deliberately avoid using faith?
  
• I-like-flings(m)

  11 Dec 06, 21:04

  Originally posted by january:

  ask him to organise an excursion to his home in heaven, hell or whatever you call it.
  
  at his heaven home, ask him to produce some magic which i have never seen before and bring me around the galaxy.
  
  ask him to convince that he is real then i would declare myself as non atheist.

  Originally posted by feb31:

  

  where is march har?
• CyNdI)4.eVa

  11 Dec 06, 21:26

  faith is believing in something that does not exists or cannot be proven to exist.
• davidche

  11 Dec 06, 22:02

  Originally posted by CyNdI)4.eVa:

  faith is believing in something that does not exists or cannot be proven to exist.

  seems like you havent read my post yet.
  
  
• VivId CrItiQuE

  11 Dec 06, 23:26

  Originally posted by davidche:

  exactly, we see that we use faith in many places.
  Then why is it religion that we deliberately avoid using faith?
  

  I like this post of urs the most, well said!
• sermodabian

  11 Dec 06, 23:33

  That's why I am agnostic. I believe there's something out there, but not sure if that one is that Christian God. Born taoist, converted to christianity for 3 years. Now agnostic.
• VivId CrItiQuE

  11 Dec 06, 23:33

  Originally posted by ReinaTanaka:
  
  need to prove de meh?
  

  anynoe here actually thinks that ppl who go church really believe that god exists. i doubt so

  Excuse me, that statement of yours just shows how shallow and narrowminded u are. Please use that teeny weeny brain of urs to THINK before posting senseless comments. THANK YOU.
• mir4cle

  11 Dec 06, 23:57

  Originally posted by january:

  ask him to organise an excursion to his home in heaven, hell or whatever you call it.
  
  at his heaven home, ask him to produce some magic which i have never seen before and bring me around the galaxy.
  
  ask him to convince that he is real then i would declare myself as non atheist.

  why not you believe in God first den ask Him to perform these miracles? den maybe He'd consider.
• ghimpheng

  12 Dec 06, 00:15

  no 1 want you to beileve in god
  
  it is your own business wheather u want or not
• Cool-gal

  12 Dec 06, 00:58

  Originally posted by Honeybunz:

  Why must God do all this for you? You are His who?
  Why must we ask Him for you? You're our who?

  u think god needs u? he doesnt care whether u believe him or not...
  
  die u [quote]
  
  
  ying gai si!!!!!
  tio suan until so jia lat..

• CyNdI)4.eVa

  12 Dec 06, 11:15

  Originally posted by davidche:

  seems like you havent read my post yet.
  
  

  i've read it. whatsup?
• CyNdI)4.eVa

  12 Dec 06, 11:29

  Originally posted by davidche:

  exactly, we see that we use faith in many places.
  Then why is it religion that we deliberately avoid using faith?
  

  u used the word "faith" incorrectly. in your example, we have blind faith in the buildings we are in.
  
  Mistake 1: Faith is believing in something that does not exist or cannot be proven to exist. Hence, faith is, by its very nature, blind. I am guessing you used the word "blind" in front of "blind faith" just to add to your word count or to merely show off your vocab? God knows.
  
  Mistake 2: Buildings in Singapore are built according to the strict standards set down by the Housing Development Board (HDB). These standards to ensure safety are internationally accepted and even more fiercely enforced by the Government after the unfortunate Nicole Highway incident in Singapore. Hence, believing a HDB flat will not collapse is not "blind faith". This is because the work put into the development of Sinagpore buildings are evident. Thus, faith should not be used to describe one's belief in the safety of HDB flats. Instead, the word "trust" should be used.
• january

  12 Dec 06, 13:04

  ok i come up with better explanation......
  
  if god exist , then why are there so many sufferings since the ancient history.
  
  spanish flu kills tens or hundred of millions worldwide.
  war kills tens or hundreds of millions worldwide.
  children suffer in poverty and hunger.
  crimes committed by gangster and deliquents
  natural disasters killing people
  religious wars...
  
  United nations is created by ....Man
  Red cross is created by .... Man
  bill and Melinda Foundation .... Man
  warren buffet foundation(2nd largest) ..... by Man
  
  common rebuke by god believers:
  God has a plan for us and there is a reason for everything that has happened
  
  God is a meme.......... if u dunno what meme is.. let me teach you a new thing...... it is anything that can spread in human.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
  
  examples are song, a hand action, joke, beliefs and virus........
  
  you see people going to temples and churchs, but seriously is praying going to produce much real workdone to improve the world.
  
  accidental deaths, disease will not go away because u pray.
  safety will not befall onto you family by just praying.
  
  in order to improve safety of your life, your family one, and prevent accident.
  you have to take precaution by learning.
  
  example....
  
  learn CPR skill
  student who learn about how to spot tsunami saved thousands of lives on beach
  fireman learn how to put out fire so that they can saves lives
  doctors learn how to perform surgeries so that they can successful saves lives
  engineers come up wtih safety standards in building
  weather scientist learn how to use computer weather software to better predict weather and gives important information to people
  
  learn how to communicate better with parents or siblings so that both can help one another better in lives
  attend sessions held by professionals to learn how to solve problems in relationship
  
  learning..... real effort put in by Man then will produce imrpovements.
  
  praying (no real workdone) does not help at all
  
  come on guys...... u all are smart enough to know all these....