Singapore to hang Nigerian trafficker, rejects new appeal.
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Oh great.
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let 'em hang by the rope, i dun care
He trafficked in herion, he deserve to hang! Can u imagine how many ppl would have died by this Nigerian hands instead? The drug would have killed a number of addicts had this chap managed to sell it in the streets. So i say again, let 'em hang. Hell needs more of this traffickers!! WAHAHAHAHA!!!! 
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sigh... i hope another appeal will save his arse!
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Deserved. Justified. +1 to Singapore's legal enforcement!
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I oppose the penalty for Tochi..and Saddam. Period.
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Just hang him la.
If he ever thought of coming here, he have to play by the rules. If he cant accept the punishments and rules meted out, he should not have traffick the drugs into Singapore in the first place.
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Oh my goodness.. I couldn't agree more!!Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:No one is saying we let him get away scott free. We can use other forms of deterance.. No one in this world has the right to take away another persons, regardless of whether it is legal or not.
It is time to mend our laws. Using violence to curb violence is not the way to go.
If a person is dangerous, we can always lock him away for the safety of others.
Wont we be as good as murders if we kill someone just like that?
Who are we to decide if someone deserves to live or die?
To hell with the officials who want to take on godly roles. they cant even give an inanimate object life, yet they dare to remove life from an another being. -
So you're in favor of locking him up for the rest of his days? Isn't that as good as a death sentence?Originally posted by spinsugar:Oh my goodness.. I couldn't agree more!!
Hypothetically if i was caught for drugs. Between rotting in jail and hanging.
Having to avoid shower rape every day
Doing literally nothing every day
Looking out at a tiny window to the world you'll never see again everyday
Reading the same books over and over again everyday
Avoid being stabbed when you piss off another cell mate
Against
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While everyone is yapping about how good/cruel the death penalty is, did anyone consider the fact that before you even fly into Singaporean airspace , the warning to hang over drugs is broadcast over the airline system? Basically that guy could have ditch his drugs in the toilet system and just get jail for a less than minimal amount of drugs .
He had a choice, people . He made a choice to risk smuggling drugs and therefore risking his own life. Why should Singapore make a concession for the choice he made? The death penalty is meant as a deterrent . Obviously this guy didn't heed the deterrent and that is his fault. Alternative he could have took was to traffick drugs over countries without a death penalty.
It is almost like seeing a rattlesnake (Singapore) which can kill him (nigerian drug trafficker) , hear it rattle a loud warning ( i.e. airplane broadcast system about death penalty for drug smugglers) and then ignore the warning and get bitten to death (i.e. HUNG) . Tell me whose fault is it? Rattlesnake or the person who chose to tempt fate? -
I vote no
Australia and Thailand is already angry with Singapore for all the various reasons, we do not need any more countries out for Singapore blood. If must
at least wait till i am not in singapore
I hope for all those who are happy that someone is going to die i hope karma
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U mean taxpayer money have to maintain these guys? What a waste of resources..Originally posted by spinsugar:Oh my goodness.. I couldn't agree more!!
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Excellent Analogy!Originally posted by fymk:It is almost like seeing a rattlesnake (Singapore) which can kill him (nigerian drug trafficker) , hear it rattle a loud warning ( i.e. airplane broadcast system about death penalty for drug smugglers) and then ignore the warning and get bitten to death (i.e. HUNG) . Tell me whose fault is it? Rattlesnake or the person who chose to tempt fate?
No one is happy that he is going to die. Most of us just saying that abolishing the death sentence isn't practical. Even if we didn't want it, we'd want a better alternative which is none.
Deterrence is a much better option IMO
Look at countries which are riddled with drug problems. They don't have a death penalty system but more of their own citizens die from drug abuse. Drug dealers there don't fear jails. Some even still run their drug cartels while in jail which they relay info to their lackeys.
Do we want that? Do you want to come home and find your kids next time shooting up? Or even worse lying in a pool of their own vomit probably drowned to death?
Sure hanging maybe somewhat morbid but it was meant as a deterrence and not a means of killing people wantonly.
All those people who think Singapore is out for blood and all that obviously don't think practically and very one sided arguments.
If they want to get angry with us, let them stamp their feet like 5yr olds til they find another distraction to keep them busy. -
Isn't it obvious enough on Singapore immigration card that drug trafficking if DEATH SENTENCE? He decided to play the game, he lost and hence he have to pay.Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:DOWN WITH CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!!
What good does hanging do? You kill one of god's creation, causes misery to too many people who know the guy and dont give him a chance to repent.
Sure, there's something called deterance. But if hanging is the only form of deterance which we can think of, then i feel very sorry for our judicary. Maybe it even needs to be replaced if thats the case.
Furthermore, no one got hurt or harmed in the process, so what right do we have to take away his life?
an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
an eye for nothing makes us a fucked up country.
Do you know Drug Abuser families are also in favor of such sentences during a survey some time back? -
How about the people who take drugs and beat up their spouses for money, ignore the needs of their families and assault police officers in while in drug induced stupor? These people don't experience misery?Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:DOWN WITH CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!!
What good does hanging do? You kill one of god's creation, causes misery to too many people who know the guy and dont give him a chance to repent.
Sure, there's something called deterance. But if hanging is the only form of deterance which we can think of, then i feel very sorry for our judicary. Maybe it even needs to be replaced if thats the case.
Furthermore, no one got hurt or harmed in the process, so what right do we have to take away his life?
an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
an eye for nothing makes us a fucked up country.
If you don't hang this guy, another Nigerian may take his place and assume he just might get away with it too. -
Australia just kicked up a fuss and forgot about it. It is not about getting personal , it is just a principal ....a sort of wayang to show that they disagreed.Originally posted by circleofwinter:I vote no
Australia and Thailand is already angry with Singapore for all the various reasons, we do not need any more countries out for Singapore blood. If must
at least wait till i am not in singapore
I hope for all those who are happy that someone is going to die i hope karma
falls on you
When some buddies and aussies tried honoring the dead vietnamese guy - people got angry and said that he chose to violate the laws of other countries. He was no matyr or war veteran. He was a criminal. And his brother swinging the samurai sword at someone didn't win him brownie points.
I am not happy that he died. The victim is his mother not him. He made his decision to violate the laws of a sovereign country. For that decision he is responsible for his own actions therefore he must pay the price meted out . Everyone knew about Singapore hanging drug traffickers - it is common knowledge . He took a gamble - he also failed like the nigerian guy. -
SORRY SINGAPORE ALREADY CLEARLY STATES DUNO HOW DAMN LONG AGO THAT DRUG TRAFFICKING WILL RESULT IN THE DEATH PENALTY AND EVERYONE IS DAMN WELL AWARE OF IT. IF THEY ARE TRYING TO EVADE THE LAW AND GET CAUGHT THEY DESERVE IT. GOT ANY BETTER IDEAS BESIDES HANGING? SAY LA. WHY MUST WAIT TILL PPL GET CAUGHT THEN COMPLAIN?
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singapore's a small country.. no space to build enough prison cells for drug traffickers. easier to hang them, then burn their bodies and keep them in little urns. save space.Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:DOWN WITH CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!!
What good does hanging do? You kill one of god's creation, causes misery to too many people who know the guy and dont give him a chance to repent.
Sure, there's something called deterance. But if hanging is the only form of deterance which we can think of, then i feel very sorry for our judicary. Maybe it even needs to be replaced if thats the case.
Furthermore, no one got hurt or harmed in the process, so what right do we have to take away his life?
an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
an eye for nothing makes us a fucked up country. -
i don't think he e one who make millions, truely believe he just a runner.Originally posted by veron soh:Can makes MILLIONS if he can go thru.!!!
Regret can't help... Rest in peace. 
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is it really an effective detterent?Originally posted by Ignatiaus:Excellent Analogy!
No one is happy that he is going to die. Most of us just saying that abolishing the death sentence isn't practical. Even if we didn't want it, we'd want a better alternative which is none.
Deterrence is a much better option IMO
Look at countries which are riddled with drug problems. They don't have a death penalty system but more of their own citizens die from drug abuse. Drug dealers there don't fear jails. Some even still run their drug cartels while in jail which they relay info to their lackeys.
Do we want that? Do you want to come home and find your kids next time shooting up? Or even worse lying in a pool of their own vomit probably drowned to death?
Sure hanging maybe somewhat morbid but it was meant as a deterrence and not a means of killing people wantonly.
All those people who think Singapore is out for blood and all that obviously don't think practically and very one sided arguments.
If they want to get angry with us, let them stamp their feet like 5yr olds til they find another distraction to keep them busy.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engasa360012004.. i will take out some quotes from it
Claiming that the death penalty has been effective in controlling the trade in illicit drugs, the Singapore authorities reported an overall decline in the number of drug abusers arrested between 1994 and 2001.(37) However, despite the use of the death penalty and high execution rates, drug addiction continues to be a problem, particularly among the poorly educated, impoverished, unemployed and young people from broken homes. According to the website of the Singapore Central Narcotics Bureau (CNB), a total of 3,393 drug abusers were arrested in 2002. The number of new drug abusers increased by 16% compared to the figures for 2001.
and if these drugs aren't easily available, they will just turn to other drugs and nothing will change. subatex anyone? i did an essay for my module on capital punishment some years back, and some states in America that has the
death penalty have more killings than states without capital punishment. IMO
its more of the culture, educational system and social values that affect the crime rate of a country.
and what happen if they are really innocent? what if theres an afterlife? what abt those involved in the execution who made an error and have to payback
their karma in their next life?
amnesty international againBoth girls denied any prior knowledge of the drugs and said they had been befriended by a Chinese couple in Bangkok who had taken them out to dinner and on sightseeing tours, and later bought suitcases for them. "My sister is a simple and naïve girl who can do foolish things sometimes",
Executed after an unfair trial: Vignes s/o Mourthi(25) from Malaysia
some of you say those drug traffickers deserved to be hanged. I think that comment is very insensitive. Most of you here have been to school, never have to worry abt food/lodging, only Guccis and Pradas, but its a different story from those traffickers. Most of the drug traffickers are poor and low on either EQ/IQ and they dont even know how tough the laws in singapore are. For born and bred singaporeans who knows clearly well that drug trafficking on certain drugs will get you the death penalty, you might think they might be happy thinking they will happy to get off with death if the death penalty is abolished when in fact, these naive/innocent/stupid/idiot or whatever u want to call them have no fucking clue what exactly they are in for. So what happens in the end? the smart drug kingpins are sitting somewhere enjoying themselves collect the $$, another stupid/desperate guy will just go and get himself killed, and the drugs will still be in circulation in singapore. Nothing will change.
I am more worried what will happen to Singapore rather than the human rights involved in this matter. You call these people 5 yrs old, yet these 5 yrs old have the power to easily crush singapore financially. Companies/investors won't just go in front of you directly and say singapore suck and i won't spend a single cent here. Just take a look at Thailand and what they did to Temasek. Then you guys will go kpkb abt the GST again...tsk so hard to please its not necessary to completely abolish the death penalty, but we could do for mandatory death penalty. -
I didn't say Death Penalty stops drug abuse here. We all know Singapore has drug users. We know a certain percentage of drugs make it thru to our shores.
But like the report said. Overall Decline over the years. That itself should be indication enough to slowly stamp out drugs.
Anyone dealing in drugs is not ignorant nor is innocent. By knowingly doing such things as runners,dealers,etc they clearly are not innocent.
If people CHOOSE to knowingly engage in recreational drug use. its their own death sentence. Being poor, ignorant, depressed, etc as an excuse just doesn't cut it as there are many more people who are like that who are not into drug use.
I mean if you're not into drugs there is no reason for you to have them at anytime.
So Karma is a moot subject since no one is technically innocent. And there is no real proof of a afterlife or even a celestial being at all.
Like all the arguments i've heard about abolishing the death sentence, none of the hippies can give a reasonable alternative.
You don't get into the drug business without knowing that there are risks to be taken. Even if you are poor, you still have a brain.Originally posted by circleofwinter:some of you say those drug traffickers deserved to be hanged. I think that comment is very insensitive. Most of you here have been to school, never have to worry abt food/lodging, only Guccis and Pradas, but its a different story from those traffickers. Most of the drug traffickers are poor and low on either EQ/IQ and they dont even know how tough the laws in singapore are.
Apart from a deterrence, i see it as sending a message to would-be traffickers.
So that covers the ignorance part for them.
Who are the biggest drug makers in the world? Usually they are third world countries who NEED our business instead.
For born and bred singaporeans who knows clearly well that drug trafficking on certain drugs will get you the death penalty, you might think they might be happy thinking they will happy to get off with death if the death penalty is abolished when in fact, these naive/innocent/stupid/idiot or whatever u want to call them have no fucking clue what exactly they are in for. So what happens in the end? the smart drug kingpins are sitting somewhere enjoying themselves collect the $$, another stupid/desperate guy will just go and get himself killed, and the drugs will still be in circulation in singapore. Nothing will change.[/quote]
After all the high profile hangings, I know future drug runners will think twice about coming here. So there again sending a message to the drug lords that we here in Singapore don't f**k around when it comes to drugs.[quote]
I am more worried what will happen to Singapore rather than the human rights involved in this matter. You call these people 5 yrs old, yet these 5 yrs old have the power to easily crush singapore financially. Companies/investors won't just go in front of you directly and say singapore suck and i won't spend a single cent here. Just take a look at Thailand and what they did to Temasek. Then you guys will go kpkb abt the GST again...tsk so hard to please its not necessary to completely abolish the death penalty, but we could do for mandatory death penalty.
Don't be silly as to say they won't come here to invest. Of course they will.
Why? Think about it. Would you dump your money here or in Columbia where the drugs are made?
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How are they different? Even so, try making a case for a drug addict's prediament being worse than that of a victim of a traffic accident.Originally posted by Ignatiaus:Cars & Drugs are on the opposite ends of the spectrum so you can't compare them thus making the argument moot
Do you introduce cars to a person? No as usually a person will WANT to get a car.
If he sucks at driving. Thats his fault so the sole problem lies with him and not the car manufacturer.
So in that respect people do not actively want to get drugs. Anyone who does is a real loser and fails at life.
No victim of a traffic accident ever chooses to be involved in one (well, bar some lunatics bent on committing suicide), as opposed to people addicted to and suffering from the adverse effects of drug abuse (an act which they'd consciously chosen to indulge in). How then does it make sense to suggest a drug lord is any more responsible for his victim than that of an automobile manufacturer? -
Drug addict dies slowly over timeOriginally posted by walesa:How are they different? Even so, try making a case for a drug addict's prediament being worse than that of a victim of a traffic accident.
Car Accident victim usually has a instantaneous death
Well one reason would be Cars are legal and Drugs are not.Originally posted by walesa:No victim of a traffic accident ever chooses to be involved in one (well, bar some lunatics bent on committing suicide), as opposed to people addicted to and suffering from the adverse effects of drug abuse (an act which they'd consciously chosen to indulge in). How then does it make sense to suggest a drug lord is any more responsible for his victim than that of an automobile manufacturer?
Automobiles were invented for the purpose to transport people. So people who die in car accidents (accidental or intentional) die because of multiple reasons like negligent driving or drunk driving.
Thats why we need a license to drive cars. People who have them and suck, that we can't control as you can't ban cars for obvious reasons.
Automobile makers recall their cars if they know the model is prone to accidents.
So then i place emphasis on Accidents. No one can predict them
Drugs on the other hand was invented for the purpose of ludicrous profiteering without knowing the end consequences of recreational drug use.
Drug lords know over time what their product can do to people but they choose not to withdraw said product but still continuing on with their profiteering.
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you might as well say we kill every criminal because we have to maintain everyone of them cos of their crimes.Originally posted by Urroh:U mean taxpayer money have to maintain these guys? What a waste of resources..
which is worse? maintaining those criminals, or losing the favour of too many other developed countries?
i wont consider singapore developed if we still allow such babaric acts to take place.
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Losing favor? last i checked alot of countries we can visit doesn't require a visa.Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:which is worse? maintaining those criminals, or losing the favour of too many other developed countries?
i wont consider singapore developed if we still allow such babaric acts to take place.
what are we? animals?
We have FTA with multiple countries.
Overseas patients come here for medical aid.
Our currency has never been stronger.
We the fourth largest foreign exchange trading centre in the world after London, New York City and Tokyo.
And many others so economically speaking, we're still doing well.
"Singapore has the highest standard of living in Asia, and is ranked 11th in the world."
We're not developed? You've obviously never traveled to poorer nations with laws more appalling or maybe even lawlessness.
Barbaric? In certain islamic states, women have their clitorises forcefully removed. While Women here don't need to go NS.. =P
Now stop talking out of your ass and appreciate the kind of life you have in Singapore.
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Firstly, there're a few factual discrepancies you suggested which are more of an opinion than a fact (and no, your opinion alone does not constitute fact) - drugs (depending on the type) are not illegal everywhere on this globe and even for those that are universally regarded as illegal, the damage they're alleged to be done to a person is hardly something that has a universal consensus on (just as Singapore deems trafficking a serious offence and warrants the death penalty, the US and EU (among many others) do not deem it serious enough to be categorised as a capital offence (admittedly, the EU does not have any capital punishments, but still drug trafficking isn't that serious if case studies of penalties meted out are anything to go by). THAT, is the constitutional side of things, which I'm not so inclined to discuss as it serves no purpose here anyway.Originally posted by Ignatiaus:Well one reason would be Cars are legal and Drugs are not.
Automobiles were invented for the purpose to transport people. So people who die in car accidents (accidental or intentional) die because of multiple reasons like negligent driving or drunk driving.
Thats why we need a license to drive cars. People who have them and suck, that we can't control as you can't ban cars for obvious reasons.
Automobile makers recall their cars if they know the model is prone to accidents.
So then i place emphasis on Accidents. No one can predict them
Drugs on the other hand was invented for the purpose of ludicrous profiteering without knowing the end consequences of recreational drug use.
Drug lords know over time what their product can do to people but they choose not to withdraw said product but still continuing on with their profiteering.
Thats the vast difference between Cars & Drugs
Now, on to the moral perspective - drug trafficking, while widely used for pernicious purposes, basically causes harm only to those who make a conscious choice to consume them (for whatever reasons be they to escape from reality or succumbing to peer pressure). To suggest drug lords and traffickers are guilty of their victim's predicament is thus no more viable a suggestion as suggesting a knife manufacturer should be implicated should someone commit murder using the manufacturer's knife (surely, this scenario cannot be an accident!) - that, in essence, is where I'm coming from which you've obviously failed to comprehend. And no, my stance isn't fact and hence needs no consensus or approval from anyone - it's just an opinion which ranks right up there as sensibly, if not more so, as yours.