Singapore to hang Nigerian trafficker, rejects new appeal.
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I'm sure it is - just as I'm equally certain the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is the greatest democracy on earth as I'm sure you'll agree with Kim Jung-Il's claim that theirs is the only regime in the world where there's not the slightest dissent with the government from their masses.Originally posted by fymk:Let's tackle your issue then. Rogue governments? Sorry , that in itself eradicates your argument in totality for it does not apply to Singapore . 66.6% voted for the government - majority wins. It was a democratic decision. Go talk to the 66.6% although most unfortunately ,I wasn't one of them.
Now, on to your warped logic. Cars and knives can only be used as weapons if a "person has the mental capacity to turn them into weapons". Where's the common sense then in applying the same argument to drugs? Are you suggesting to me drug addicts are suffering from their predicaments as a consequence of being force-fed with drugs? Or are you simply refusing to acknowledge the fact that drug addicts, by and large, made a conscious choice to consume those substances? If you recognise this instance, are you still trying to tell me they are actually less deserving victims than victims of a murder or genocide who face predicaments no less dire than those of drug addicts through no fault of their own?Originally posted by fymk:Against these basis , no.1 and no.2 will likely eradicate your argument against automobile manufacturers or knife manufacturers. A knife can be used in a crime so can a car. For a crime to happen , the person has the mental capacity to decide on their actions on whether those day-to-day tools would be deliberately turned into weapons.
Now compare it to illicit drugs. They themselves are a crime and a weapon in itself. It rips drug addicts of their mental capacity and make them a public nuisance without them being in the high and fully aware of it.
So what's your experience? I see none, really. And why would I want/need you to accept my view? It's my view you seem to have problems coming to terms with and chose to contest at the outset, not the other way. If anything, all I've done is defend the merits of my opinion(which should not represent a universal view to begin with).Originally posted by fymk:I would love to consider your experience dealing first hand with drug addicts and their families or maybe your vast experience in drug control policies internationally and nationally. I will have no qualms in accepting your views and experiences that is if you have any at all . -
Originally posted by walesa:
Okay, this is turning out to be quite the mudslinging fest..
What I am putting to you is this : what makes you so convinced that drugs are the [b]biggest vices in the lives of people anywhere in the world? (.....) I'm not contesting the fact on whether narco-trafficking should be legalised, but rather, why should it - at least, beyond reasonable doubts and accepted as a consensus to a vast majority - be the most serious crime by a mile. Evidently, it's not rocket science to suggest narco-trafficking is not viewed as the most serious crime in many countries - quite honestly, narcotics pale in comparison to other crimes like murder in most countries - and clearly, that tells a story on its own.
As a matter of fact, I never tried convincing you narcotics shouldn't be taken seriously from a legal perspective - that said, I just don't believe it comes anywhere close to being the most heinous crime imaginable by any stretch of the imagination and that's just my opinion. So what's your fuss about, really?
Try telling me those drug addicts(people who made a conscious choice to get involved in that stuff) you encountered deserve a chance at life more than people who suffer through consequences that arose beyond their control![/b]
I do not think Walesa's being unreasonable.
While trafficking of illegal drugs is a serious crime, it's not nearly as serious as murder - I'd say it's around as serious as rape. So why should it carry the death penalty?
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Oooooh Mr Internet tough guy! *TREMBLES*Originally posted by walesa:Why don't you go eat ass first? It'd be a remiss if I explained anything to an imbecile like you who has failed to keep your part of the bargain...
My part of the bargain? Last i check you didn't read the fine print.
So even with my "pointless drivel" and fymk's very persuasive thesis won't change your mind.
So if we offer you nothing but
Warped Logic
Myopic Views
Distorted Conceptions
Pointless Drivel
Etc...
Then no point even contesting your SUPERIOR LOGIC THAT NO ONE CAN COMPREHEND!
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Fair enough to say that it may not be as serious as murderOriginally posted by spinsugar:Okay, this is turning out to be quite the mudslinging fest..
I do not think Walesa's being unreasonable.
While trafficking of illegal drugs is a serious crime, it's not nearly as serious as murder - I'd say it's around as serious as rape. So why should it carry the death penalty?
Frankly, it makes more sense to have the trafficker do time in jail rather than send him straight to the gallows.
But
How does it make more sense that the trafficker do time in jail?
When he comes out of jail he's gonna fall back in the same pattern most likely.
Like i said before if there is a suitable alternative where as the trafficker is not dealt the death penalty but how will we be assured that he won't fall back into the pattern of criminal activity and still not go above the national average for drug related activity in Singapore.
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Originally posted by walesa:
That is not really the point of arguing rogue governments here - Speaker Corner is where you start a debate about whether Singapore is governed by one. The issue is about the death penalty for a drug trafficker. Are you calling other countries which carry out the death sentence rogue governments too?
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Originally posted by fymk:
Let's tackle your issue then. Rogue governments? Sorry , that in itself eradicates your argument in totality for it does not apply to Singapore . 66.6% voted for the government - majority wins. It was a democratic decision. Go talk to the 66.6% although most unfortunately ,I wasn't one of them.
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I'm sure it is - just as I'm equally certain the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is the greatest democracy on earth as I'm sure you'll agree with Kim Jung-Il's claim that theirs is the only regime in the world where there's not the slightest dissent with the government from their masses.
As much as I disagree alot with Singaporean policies that I migrated to elsewhere , I do not see the need to slander the government that way. Don't like it? Don't vote them. Simple.
I see you have conveniently neglected to enter what the details of no. 1 and no. 2. I might like to point out your speed reading needs improvement - I said that I am ok with your views on them making a conscious choice. Once anyone chooses to consume heroin on a regular basis , they get addicted .
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Originally posted by fymk:
Against these basis , no.1 and no.2 will likely eradicate your argument against automobile manufacturers or knife manufacturers. A knife can be used in a crime so can a car. For a crime to happen , the person has the mental capacity to decide on their actions on whether those day-to-day tools would be deliberately turned into weapons.
Now compare it to illicit drugs. They themselves are a crime and a weapon in itself. It rips drug addicts of their mental capacity and make them a public nuisance without them being in the high and fully aware of it.
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Now, on to your warped logic. Cars and knives can only be used as weapons if a "person has the mental capacity to turn them into weapons". Where's the common sense then in applying the same argument to drugs? Are you suggesting to me drug addicts are suffering from their predicaments as a consequence of being force-fed with drugs? Or are you simply refusing to acknowledge the fact that drug addicts, by and large, made a conscious choice to consume those substances? If you recognise this instance, are you still trying to tell me they are actually less deserving victims than victims of a murder or genocide who face predicaments no less dire than those of drug addicts through no fault of their own?
When they are HIGH , they HAVE NO MENTAL CAPACITY and may choose to sit down in their own wastes or commit a crime. Hence I said public nuisance . Illicit drugs are a crime in itself.
Growth/Production and Possession of an illicit substance is a crime - the fact that any addict once HIGH lacks sense of wrong or right . Owning a knife or a car is not unless you CHOOSE to commit a crime. Which part did you not comprehend?
There is also another difference to cars, knives VERSUS illicit drugs - Quality control.
Let me also enlighten you on the quality controls - they are imposed on car and even knife manufacturers . If the knife falls from the handle and stabs you in the toe , you have the right to suing the manufacturer for damages . Illicit drugs have no quality control - no one has an idea of what it has been mixed with - whether with chalk powder (seen addicts have embolism due to that) or even a couple of hundred toxins which are not meant for entering the veins.
Although my experience is not on drug control policies , I do have the experience of dealing with drug addicts and their families as well as teenagers who took drugs for the first time only to end up as a vegetable due to a reaction.
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Originally posted by fymk:
I would love to consider your experience dealing first hand with drug addicts and their families or maybe your vast experience in drug control policies internationally and nationally. I will have no qualms in accepting your views and experiences that is if you have any at all .
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So what's your experience? I see none, really. And why would I want/need you to accept my view? It's my view you seem to have problems coming to terms with and chose to contest at the outset, not the other way. If anything, all I've done is defend the merits of my opinion(which should not represent a universal view to begin with). [/b]
I was a nurse in Australia, I seen drug overdoses and kids who tried it and get a bad reaction. I seen a drug addict so desperate for heroin , he threaten to stab a colleague with a needle. I seen enough of drug addicts .I seen a kid think the bed was a cloud and he tried to fly from it since he thought he was a bird. Want to hear more? I have seen a man who was stabbed 10 times by a drug addict on high who wanted his wallet . These are just some of the examples of the direct and indirect victims of drugs
I do not see cigarette smokers threaten to stab anyone with a needle if they do not have a smoke.
Yes I do have problems coming to terms with the need to free drug traffickers when they do inherently makes the community more dangerous. That is why I am a firm supporter of the death penalty for drug trafficking even though I might disagree with the Government on other policies. My opinion is as good as any.
Maybe staying in Singapore where you are priviledged not see drug addicts lying about wasted or trying to hustle or rob you, must have blinded you to the societal problems of drugs .
Go read on the effects of Cocaine , Heroin and MDMA ( aka Ecstasy). I will be very amused and sorely disappointed at your intelligence if you try to tell me that drug takers are fully conscious and mentally competent to make a decision after they consume the drug and get a HIGH.
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usually these traffickers , they are quite stupid or being pressurized by circumstances one.
i guess the most singapore can do is to lengthen the investigation period to ensure they find out more before hanging.
if the government wants to punish by keeping in jail, they still have to feed him. even if other countries is willing to spend the money to feed him in prison, this may cause people to do trafiicking because some people are used to prison life.
imagine a drug lord capture your hold family and ask you to smuggle drug for him, and the singapore law is to jail forever. the guy is more likely to suck thumb and do it. by upping the punishment to death sentence, there is more deterrance effect.
however, out of all the traffickers, some are made own choice, some are really pressurized by circumstances where if normal people like you and me were in the same shoe, we will also do it. what do we do if it were such people.
i guess it will be complicated if we were to try to investigate which type of circumstances the drug traffickers were in.
on the other hand, by going with hanging, we may indeed be killiing people who were forced by circumstances that will cause normal man to do one. you all can say that its his choice or what or it is his gamble. however, if one day you all really fall into this situaiton where you were forced to do drug trafficking, you may then think about the unfairness of the world and would start appealing like mad.
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i have a question.
what if a person is framed by another person who puts drug in his bag?
will the innocent man being hanged? i hope he won't be hanged by giving him the right to trial and return his innocence.
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i also have another interesting hypothetical question.
what if a drug trafficker put a bomb around you which he will trigger if you do not help him transport his drug. in order to save your own ass, you definitely have no choice but to do the trafficking right. however, you know the singapore custom very efficient one, surely and mostly will catch you with drugs.
like that how? both way also die but lets say you have 100 percent die if you refuse but 70 percent chance get caught and hanged , what would you do?
this is not so hypothetical question actually but something that can happen. but it usually don't happen to people like you and me like if your background is quite good.
if anybody falls victim to this thing, he is really very unlucky -
If the singaporean law says HANG, then he shall hang. Until the law CHANGES
nothing should change for SINGAPORE's benefit. Why sympathise with someone who blatantly broke the rules of this country? No other better cause to stand up for is it? What make him so different from the other drug traffickers in the past that he has to live and the others have to die?
I presume he already knows the penalty of bringing controlled drugs to singapore so nothing much to argue. AND WHAT's wrong with capital punishment? -
I am rather neutral about hanging.... but on second tots...
If we hang one... one is dead one life lost...
If we let one go.... many more trafficker will come in bringing drugs and destroy hundreds or thousands more people's life with drugs.. People's future and their families... can be stopped by this one hanging...
then again... I'm still neutral I guess sometime my emotional feels would get in the way for compassion for other human beings and logic + practicability... Thank goodness I'm not a judge... -
usually these traffickers , they are quite stupid or being pressurized by circumstances one.
Even if this is the case. How do you prove it in court in Singapore when what happens to them happens over in that particular country? If we allowed such a plea bargain you'll see every drug trafficker saying the same thing to get out of death sentence.
imagine a drug lord capture your hold family and ask you to smuggle drug for him, and the singapore law is to jail forever. the guy is more likely to suck thumb and do it. by upping the punishment to death sentence, there is more deterrance effect.
So its not feasible to have further investigations where its not even in our jurisdiction.
Honestly if someone forced me to traffic drugs.
on the other hand, by going with hanging, we may indeed be killiing people who were forced by circumstances that will cause normal man to do one. you all can say that its his choice or what or it is his gamble. however, if one day you all really fall into this situaiton where you were forced to do drug trafficking, you may then think about the unfairness of the world and would start appealing like mad.
It would be the same as handing me a murder weapon like a gun.
Still likelihood of that happening is a real long shot. So i can't really say.
How would you know which case is genuinely innocent? Like i said its almost impossible to investigate outside Singapore to find the truth as it would violate our jurisdiction.
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This is why airports encourage you to watch your bag at all times.Originally posted by january:i have a question.
what if a person is framed by another person who puts drug in his bag?
will the innocent man being hanged? i hope he won't be hanged by giving him the right to trial and return his innocence.
life is sometimes so scary...
I follow this regulation very strictly. Some people leave their bags on the trolley beside the seats and go toilet.
I push the whole trolley in! (Its possible because the toilet doors were designed to fit the width of the trolley) I only do that when i'm flying alone.
If what you say was the case i would say its really bad luck out of thousands of passengers in the airport.
Even if he pleaded innocent there would be no concrete way to prove him right
Sounds more like a movie plot than a realistic scenarioOriginally posted by january:i also have another interesting hypothetical question.
what if a drug trafficker put a bomb around you which he will trigger if you do not help him transport his drug. in order to save your own ass, you definitely have no choice but to do the trafficking right. however, you know the singapore custom very efficient one, surely and mostly will catch you with drugs.
like that how? both way also die but lets say you have 100 percent die if you refuse but 70 percent chance get caught and hanged , what would you do?
this is not so hypothetical question actually but something that can happen. but it usually don't happen to people like you and me like if your background is quite good.
if anybody falls victim to this thing, he is really very unlucky
Its more like weighing terrorism vs drug trafficking
In any case if i were in such a crisis, the right thing to do is to somehow inform a cop about what is going on discreetly.
Basically i'd do the right thing even if it cost me my life.
Since this is a unlikely scenario i'd like to use a old Johnny Depp movie as a reference.
The movie tells the story of Gene Watson (Depp), a mild-mannered accountant whose daughter is kidnapped when he takes her on a business trip. The kidnappers (Roma Maffia, Christopher Walken) tell Watson that they will kill his daughter unless he murders a woman depicted in a photograph. He soon learns that the woman is governor (Marsha Mason) of the state he's passing through, and realizes that assassinating her would be a suicide mission. He then must find a way to not assassinate the governor, and yet still prevent the kidnappers from killing his daughter. -
"traffic" means —Originally posted by january:i also have another interesting hypothetical question.
what if a drug trafficker put a bomb around you which he will trigger if you do not help him transport his drug. in order to save your own ass, you definitely have no choice but to do the trafficking right. however, you know the singapore custom very efficient one, surely and mostly will catch you with drugs.
like that how? both way also die but lets say you have 100 percent die if you refuse but 70 percent chance get caught and hanged , what would you do?
this is not so hypothetical question actually but something that can happen. but it usually don't happen to people like you and me like if your background is quite good.
if anybody falls victim to this thing, he is really very unlucky
(a) to sell, give, administer, transport, send, deliver or distribute; or
(b) to offer to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a),
otherwise than under the authority of this Act, and “trafficking” has a corresponding meaning;"
- Misuse of Drugs Act.
Before the plane takes off for Singapore - tell the airhostesss you want to speak to the pilot and then explain the matter to the law enforcement authorities in the country. There are reasons why metal detectors are installed in airports - to prevent bombs on board planes.
Only issue I have with the Misuse of Drugs Act is the definition of trafficking. I am all for the death penalty of drug traffickers but I think the reference term is too severe. -
not tired meh?
everytime someone gets the death sentence, the arguments starts.
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The same few people with the same argument against the death penalty. Wait till their wife gets raped and their children get murdered, then I'll see what they say...Originally posted by dragg:not tired meh?
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It doesn't - firstly, I didn't suggest you go eat your own ass. You suggested that yourself if I could name you one country in which - specifically mentioned by you - heroine and cocaine are legal as recreational drugs. So, there you go - what are you barking about with an inferior intellect and a false bravado that'd even put flies to shame?Originally posted by Ignatiaus:Oooooh Mr Internet tough guy! *TREMBLES*
My part of the bargain? Last i check you didn't read the fine print.
So even with my "pointless drivel" and fymk's very persuasive thesis won't change your mind.
So if we offer you nothing but
Warped Logic
Myopic Views
Distorted Conceptions
Pointless Drivel
Etc...
Then no point even contesting your SUPERIOR LOGIC THAT NO ONE CAN COMPREHEND!
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It isn't - so why bother scrutinising on something not central to what we were supposed to be discussing to begin with? You've enough problems trying to make a case for what you perceive to be seemingly intolerable and unacceptable views I have for drugs on its own without dwelling on politics. It may be slander to you, but it's freedom of expression to me. So if you can't live with that, we could always start a seperate thread to sustain the political aspects of this discussion...Originally posted by fymk:That is not really the point of arguing rogue governments here - Speaker Corner is where you start a debate about whether Singapore is governed by one. The issue is about the death penalty for a drug trafficker. Are you calling other countries which carry out the death sentence rogue governments too?
As much as I disagree alot with Singaporean policies that I migrated to elsewhere , I do not see the need to slander the government that way. Don't like it? Don't vote them. Simple.
Yeah, so when they're HIGH, they lose their mental capacity to reason and will thus lose the plot and act in a manner that compromises the interests of others. Granted, so are you telling me they should be absolved of whatever blame that arises AS A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF THEM MAKING A CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO GET HIGH? That, in essence, is the thrash you're espousing in pinning the blame(at least, the gravity of the crime drug lords are purported to be committing) on the drug traffickers/lords. The fact remains drug addicts are merely paying a price for a conscious choice they made - and why on earth should drug lords shoulder the lion's share of the addicts' predicament lest the latter has been force-fed with drugs? The point remains, you haven't addressed the issue of why drug lords/traffickers warrant being treated as the most pernicious criminals known to mankind(and for the upteenth time, although admittedly unaided by your inability to comprehend simple logic, the question here surrounds a matter of why drug trafficking should be regarded as a crime more pernicious than any others, and not whether it should be illegal)?Originally posted by fymk:I see you have conveniently neglected to enter what the details of no. 1 and no. 2. I might like to point out your speed reading needs improvement - I said that I am ok with your views on them making a conscious choice. Once anyone chooses to consume heroin on a regular basis , they get addicted .
When they are HIGH , they HAVE NO MENTAL CAPACITY and may choose to sit down in their own wastes or commit a crime. Hence I said public nuisance . Illicit drugs are a crime in itself.
Growth/Production and Possession of an illicit substance is a crime - the fact that any addict once HIGH lacks sense of wrong or right . Owning a knife or a car is not unless you CHOOSE to commit a crime. Which part did you not comprehend?
There is also another difference to cars, knives VERSUS illicit drugs - Quality control.
Let me also enlighten you on the quality controls - they are imposed on car and even knife manufacturers . If the knife falls from the handle and stabs you in the toe , you have the right to suing the manufacturer for damages . Illicit drugs have no quality control - no one has an idea of what it has been mixed with - whether with chalk powder (seen addicts have embolism due to that) or even a couple of hundred toxins which are not meant for entering the veins.
Although my experience is not on drug control policies , I do have the experience of dealing with drug addicts and their families as well as teenagers who took drugs for the first time only to end up as a vegetable due to a reaction.
And why should quality control come into the picture of this discussion? Since when does quality control ever come into the picture of an illegitimate trade? If you choose to talk about quality control, why not try extending your argument by selling me the diatribe that drug lords should well be charged on the count of tax evasion too since they profit without paying their dues? What bollocks are you on about QC, really?Originally posted by fymk:
This, indeed is a perfect epitome of stupidity at its finest. Yeah, you've been telling me - detailed to a fault, in fact - about how much experience you've had dealing with the victims and the families of those addicted to drugs. And yeah, that's your opinion which you're well entitled to. That said, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how such eye-opening experiences alone should convince you that drugs are the biggest vices to humanity. Sure, they're vices, but the biggest known to man? You've got to be bloody kidding!
I was a nurse in Australia, I seen drug overdoses and kids who tried it and get a bad reaction. I seen a drug addict so desperate for heroin , he threaten to stab a colleague with a needle. I seen enough of drug addicts .I seen a kid think the bed was a cloud and he tried to fly from it since he thought he was a bird. Want to hear more? I have seen a man who was stabbed 10 times by a drug addict on high who wanted his wallet . [b] These are just some of the examples of the direct and indirect victims of drugs
I do not see cigarette smokers threaten to stab anyone with a needle if they do not have a smoke.
Yes I do have problems coming to terms with the need to free drug traffickers when they do inherently makes the community more dangerous. That is why I am a firm supporter of the death penalty for drug trafficking even though I might disagree with the Government on other policies. My opinion is as good as any.
Maybe staying in Singapore where you are priviledged not see drug addicts lying about wasted or trying to hustle or rob you, must have blinded you to the societal problems of drugs .
Go read on the effects of Cocaine , Heroin and MDMA ( aka Ecstasy). I will be very amused and sorely disappointed at your intelligence if you try to tell me that drug takers are fully conscious and mentally competent to make a decision after they consume the drug and get a HIGH.
You have not given me any satisfactory responses, except provide me with an impression that you have tunnel vision.
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So just what the hell are you going on about your experiences with drugs for? For all the myopic drivel that seemingly vindicates the severity of drug abuse(without making relevant comparisons to other tribulations afflicting humanity), I've yet to see the remotest link which justifiably portrays the plight of a drug addict as being worse than that of victims of murder of third-world poverty. You can save your experiences for your grandchildren if sympathetic story-telling is all you've got time for... -
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Personally, I believe the young Nigerian (hung by now) is an illiterate or at best lowly educated. As such, he was used by drug sindicates to courier drugs with promise of good returns. Amd he, being poor and all that, gotten himself into something he did not do research on - Penalty of Drug Trafficking in Singapore.
Desperation landed many in deep trouble, and it shall continue to be so..
Whether the execution or the sentence in itself was wrong or technically correct, I say that NOTHING human related is EVER balanced.
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I applaud your lousy comprehension. Did I not focus on speaking about the plight of drug addict's family and those impacted by the drug addict's crimes.Originally posted by walesa:This, indeed is a perfect epitome of stupidity at its finest. Yeah, you've been telling me - detailed to a fault, in fact - about how much experience you've had dealing with the victims and the families of those addicted to drugs. And yeah, that's your opinion which you're well entitled to. That said, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how such eye-opening experiences alone should convince you that drugs are the biggest vices to humanity. Sure, they're vices, but the biggest known to man? You've got to be bloody kidding!
So just what the hell are you going on about your experiences with drugs for? For all the myopic drivel that seemingly vindicates the severity of drug abuse(without making relevant comparisons to other tribulations afflicting humanity), I've yet to see the remotest link which justifiably portrays the plight of a drug addict as being worse than that of victims of murder of third-world poverty.
I would not doubt my own intelligence since there are more than 10 countries willing to impose the death penalty on drug traffickers. Singapore is just one of them. If it was a dumbass idea , it would be just Singapore hanging drug traffickers - nowhere else.
Singapore's rationale for the mandatory death penalty for drug traffickers is to deter anyone from establishing Singapore as a hub for drug trafficking AS WELL AS protecting its most precious resources - humans.
Yes Murder is different from Illicit drug trade
Murder -> a victim or a few -> affect family and loved ones -> heinous -> a life for a life or more.
Illicit drug trafficking -> addicts -> crimes to feed the habit , from robbery to murder -> societal costs -> healthcare costs to society when young ignorant kids take drugs and overdose and become vegetables -> some die -> High cost to the families -> organised drug cartels making Singapore unsafe -> economic costs because who wants to invest in an unsafe place when there are other cheaper unsafe places to deal with -> that is the impact in a simplistic sense.
Which is more heinous? Crime against one person or crime against society? Both come with crimal intentions -murderers have some personal or monetary benefit . Drug traffickers have monetary benefit . These benefits form the intentions to commit a crime.
Just so if you bring knife manufacturers or car manufacturers again into the argument . They have no intention of commiting a crime. They have the intention of making life convenient for law abiding citizens. The only criminal thing they could do is to make the item unsafe for the purpose of profit but that opens them to civil and criminal laws which protect the rights of their consumers. No legal manufacturing company wants that on their hands. -
Just as much as illicit drug addicts have a choice to choose the life of dependency on drugs , the drug trafficker have a choice of choosing another route that does not require going through a country with the death penalty for drugs.
The drug trafficker chopses to do it because the monetary gains are high. So Singapore is just going one up on them to deter them from that intention.
Who is to be blamed when they hang?No one told them to impale themselves onto the death penalty of Singapore. They did it out of greed. So they are hung - fair and square. -
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Hey quitter, you ain't fit to lick the boots of Lou Lee and his successors. Try cosying up to Gordon Brown instead, and you'd feel better.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The same few people with the same argument against the death penalty. Wait till their wife gets raped and their children get murdered, then I'll see what they say...
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YOU ARE BLIND! @_@Originally posted by walesa:It doesn't - firstly, I didn't suggest you go eat your own ass. You suggested that yourself if I could name you one country in which - specifically mentioned by you - heroine and cocaine are legal as recreational drugs. So, there you go - what are you barking about with an inferior intellect and a false bravado that'd even put flies to shame?
I already said fair enough that you named one!
The other line you failed to real through on its entirety! LRN2READ NUB
Oooooohh! Barking with a inferior intellect! False Bravado! *Trembles*
Last i checked you failed to stop the hanging with your MIGHTY INTELLECT so erm... yeah...whatever...
You win ok?
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Haze is already happening from the flaming...you abit late lahOriginally posted by 4getmenot:i smell something burning oredi...