Stop burning kim zhuar lei...
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GAZELLE, you were bringing Christians and Catholics into this when there was absolutely no need to. When the people who spoke might not even be Catholics or Christians in the first place. You just wanted to turn this issue around.
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U can pm him... Y do u hv to amplify his post??Originally posted by SumOne:Not for myself, for what I wanted to tell him. And to highlight the error of his posts. -
SEE TU PIG,
YouR PrObleMs ? Ling Peh Got MoneY To BurN youR ProbLems ? EveN If I MaKe Your MoM sTomaCh BIG AlsO NOT Your ProBlem.
PleAse Keep Your BIG MouTh SHUT and Go Hide One Corner.
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eh pls. those sentence is made by TS de hor, u scold me for what! i just pull those sentence out which were offensive hor.pls see properly can.Originally posted by Stootpid:lao kok aging population aunties uncles still burn burn burn... want strike 4d/toto arh?? or old liao scared tat their death is coming soon?? pay ur respect to wad??
some donkey kong in heaven??
juz hope that in 50yrs time this generation of ppl die liao singapore can become a cleaner greener healthier place to live in..
dun have to take hard earn $$ go buy things and in the end burn them for fu.ck reasons..
stupid these ppl can even go to the extent of making a myth story character sunwukong a statue out of it and pray in the temple..
next time see those ppl stupid enuff to bring joss sticks to zoo and pray to those monkeys...
especially when u see ur hard earned money gone down the drain like this to some stupid ideology..
ppl of older generation in my family.. donating money to those temple for god sake a few words spoken while kenna lightning stroke like that sit on a arm chair shake shake shake.. then give u one paper ask u burn n drink.. LJ
juz feel like giving a tight slap on the guy
ppl work so hard they sit there shake shake shake cheat money
these sentences see liao buay tahan can
if you dared slap the 'danki', you're sure to suay all your life.Only know how to talk big,action seh. -
Oh for goodness sake, the person who talked about burning and global warming wasn't a CHRISTIAN nor CATHOLIC to begin with.Originally posted by Gazelle:No, I am just point out that YOU and your CHURCH also contribute to global warming. Period!
I'm not trying to tell you my religion is better than yours, I'm trying to tell you that you are unnecessarily bringing other religions into the debate.
Stop letting your anger get the better of you and go back and read the posts. -
Gazelle, please stop going on your unnecessary hate campaign against Christians and Catholics when the people who posted are not even either to begin with. I am not here to preach my religion to you, neither am I saying whose religion is wrong or whose is correct.
I am telling you that you are involving other religions when there is no need to. That you are unnnecessarily starting conflict against others.
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why are you so defensive? you have hidden agenda?Originally posted by SumOne:Gazelle, please stop going on your unnecessary hate campaign against Christians and Catholics when the people who posted are not even either to begin with. I am not here to preach my religion to you, neither am I saying whose religion is wrong or whose is correct.
I am telling you that you are involving other religions when there is no need to. That you are unnnecessarily starting conflict against others.
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Gazelle, a person not liking burning of kim zhuar does not immediately mean he is a Christian or Catholic. What kind of logic is that?Originally posted by Gazelle:Should all chinese Christians and Catholics stop celebration CNY?
And no, Christians and Catholics will not stop CNY, where do you get the idea from?
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I'm not being defensive, I just have something against people who are not clear about what they are being "anti-" about in the first place.Originally posted by Gazelle:why are you so defensive? you have hidden agenda?
Like how you unnecessarily made it an anti-Christian and anti-Catholic issue. You would be in the wrong as well if you started making it a anti-Hinda or anti-Muslim issue as well.
Please note the error in what you have posted. That the people who have spoken out against burning kim zhuar are not Christians nor Catholics. So your posts against Christians and Catholics has been misdirected, and unnecessary. -
Gazelle, the issue is not about whose religion is right, whose is wrong. Whose has hidden agenda, whose hasn't.Originally posted by Gazelle:why are you so defensive? you have hidden agenda?
I am saying you had UNNECESSARILY made posts against other religions.
You might have, made it in a moment of folly because you were MISTAKEN.
Or, you might be INTENTIONALLY doing so because you as a person (not your religion) have a hidden agenda.
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I think we are talking about enviromental issue here, not about which religion will bring you to heaven. Being so defensive, are you saying that being a christian you are allow to burn more fuel and generate more heat than others?Originally posted by SumOne:I'm not being defensive, I just have something against people who are not clear about what they are being "anti-" about in the first place.
Like how you unnecessarily made it an anti-Christian and anti-Catholic issue. You would be in the wrong as well if you started making it a anti-Hinda or anti-Muslim issue as well.
Please note the error in what you have posted. That the people who have spoken out against burning kim zhuar are not Christians nor Catholics. So your posts against Christians and Catholics has been misdirected, and unnecessary. -
Gazelle, I just want you to point out any post whereby the person who spoke out against burning kim zhuar said it from a Christian or Catholic point of view.
Also, I want you to answer me, whether is it possible that somebody who doesn't like burning kim zhuar is definitely a Christian or Catholic? -
Gazelle, I am beginning to see where you are going with all this. You are intentionally persisting in wanting to make posts against Christians and Catholics.Originally posted by Gazelle:I think we are talking about enviromental issue here, not about which religion will bring you to heaven. Being so defensive, are you saying that being a christian you are allow to burn more fuel and generate more heat than others?
Again, let me tell you, I am not being defensive. You have wrongly directed your posts against other religions either by MISTAKE, or because YOU have a hidden agenda.
Also Gazelle, I think you are very mistaken. At which point of time have I made an objection against the burning of kim zhuar? So quite honestly, your question to me is irrelevant. -
Gazelle, I have never had anything against Chinese customs or other people's religion. Which of my posts stated that?
But you have unnecessarily made posts against other people's religion. I just want to point that out to you. That you have started talking about Christians and Catholics when the people who spoke out against burning kim zhuar are not even Christians nor Catholics in the first place.
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Gazelle, your anger and hate has been very misdirected. I do not need any apology from you nor expect any. But I just hope you can stop with your anti-religion posts and realise next time before you shoot your mouth off.
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a) I dont care if the TS is Christian or Catholic, what I want to know is if I am right to say that YOU and your CHURCH contribute to global warming? (YES/NO?)Originally posted by SumOne:Gazelle, I just want you to point out any post whereby the person who spoke out against burning kim zhuar said it from a Christian or Catholic point of view.
Also, I want you to answer me, whether is it possible that somebody who doesn't like burning kim zhuar is definitely a Christian or Catholic?
b) Is there any reason why you are not defending the idea of burning kim zhuar? is it because that is someone's religion and you dont give a damn about it?
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Gazelle, let me just ask you again, which of the people who objected the burning of zim zhuar ALSO stated that he or she is a Chirstian or Catholic.
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I am not a taoism expert, the terms I use & information may not be accurate. But I hope pple can better understand this practise & be more tolerance. To me the practice in Singapore today is related more to religion/ spiritual beliefs rather then culture, custom or tradition as compare to the past & other countries like taiwan, hong kong or China.
Many religion in the world uses incense joss sticks to worship, some pple find the smell irritating too. But I wld like to focus on the topic of burning paper money & other things like paper dolls, houses, cars etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Bank_Notes
I believe some pple like TS are frustated by recently smoke cause by the chinese taoism ritual praying to the Heaven. (But TS is really EXTREME!) I think the offering was to the chinese deity jade emperor... some one mentioned tian gong dan? sorry I am not too sure on this.
According to taoism beliefs the burning of kim zhuar is also an act of respect & offering to the deities in heaven, it's a taoist form of thanks giving to the deities for the blessing & having a peaceful year etc. It's NOT like some pple mentioned the taoist deities have no money or need money to spend, this is a very sarcastic & insulting remark!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Festival
The ghost festival consider the most & longest time for burning of kim zhuar or hell bank note, it last for weeks I suppose. In this ritual, taoists burn many types of paper 'money' & other paper items like clothing etc. This is an offering for a few types of ghosts, hungry ghosts from the 18 levels of hell, earth-bounded or wandering ghosts, those that died a terrible death like from accidents, suicide or murder. NOTE: Taoists believe that these souls cannot
enter hell or heaven for a period of time & these are the ones that can cause misfortune among the living.
Just like other religion, there are also different form of taoism beliefs & practices, example the hokkien rituals maybe different from the teochew.
That's why we see some pple prefer burning on grass patch instead of bins provided for them. Some believe they have to draw or mark a circle or write their name where they burn the hell bank notes. The offering burnt are for the ghosts/spirits. So pple do it on the streets or places near to their home & in some cases in 'weird' places. But I believe there are good reasons behind. Also this offering cannot be done in temples which is for worshipping deities from heaven.
The burning of paper dolls, houses, cars etc is usually for taoist funeral. This practice I dun think will have much impact on our environment, how many taoism funeral do we see in HDB area... it's not like EVERY day! Just like Qing Ming, worshipping of ancestors & decease in the family, it's only once a year & the burning usually done in chinese cemetery & temples.
TS & frenz, if u dun believe or understand other's religion practice & have NO INTEREST in finding out, COMPLAIN if u want. BUT dun simply insult & condemn as u please! calling chinese taoists stupid & try to CHANGE or TELL them what to do. ***Taoism practice have a very long history... if u are interested to know more wikipedia is ur fren.
It may be MEANINGLESS & WRONG to u, but to them, this is an important religion ritual & pls check the meaning of arson & vandalism! I hope pple can be more tolerance & dun try to push the blame on chinese taoism for causing environmental problems, this practise exist thousands of years ago... much longer then the HDB flats were built. Lastly those pple who so call very 'concern' about health or causes of global warming & air pollution, pls do
a research 1st.
Please STOP this religion flaming now, there are 'people' here very happy to see us turning against one another!!! please dun fall into their plot!!!
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And how do you tell if he or she is anti-christian or anti-catholic? Is he suppose to drive a car with number 666, and has a inverted star tattoo on his chest or something?Originally posted by SumOne:Gazelle, let me just ask you again, which of the people who objected the burning of zim zhuar ALSO stated that he or she is a Chirstian or Catholic.
Also, is a person who objects to the burning of zim zhuar DEFINITELY a Christian or Catholic?
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You don't care? So why make a comment about Christians and Catholics in the first place? No wonder you are out of point. Like I said earlier, this question is irrelevant. I don't object to burning zim zhuar, I'm not against other people's religion. Your persisting with this means is what makes it suspicious that you have 'other intentions'.Originally posted by Gazelle:[b]a) I dont care if the TS is Christian or Catholic, what I want to know is if I am right to say that YOU and your CHURCH contribute to global warming? (YES/NO?)
I did, you missed it.b) Is there any reason why you are not defending the idea of burning kim zhuar? is it because that is someone's religion and you dont give a damn about it?[quote]c) It is possible that someone who dont like to go to church and hate hypocritical christans still be a Christian?Hate hypocritical Christians, yes. But to hate all Christians, no. -
No. Don't be lame.Originally posted by Gazelle:And how do you tell if he or she is anti-christian or anti-catholic? Is he suppose to drive a car with number 666, and has a inverted star tattoo on his chest or something?Also is a person who objects to church using too much aircon and contribute to global warming consider anti-christian?
You are missing the point entirely. -
I suggest a few of you here go check into a hotel room and settle this problem
After that you can check out holding hands -
I'm not that kind of person.Originally posted by Short Ninja:I suggest a few of you here go check into a hotel room and settle this problem After that you can check out holding hands -
I still would like to see you answer my questions though.Originally posted by Gazelle:And how do you tell if he or she is anti-christian or anti-catholic? Is he suppose to drive a car with number 666, and has a inverted star tattoo on his chest or something?
Also is a person who objects to church using too much aircon and contribute to global warming consider anti-christian?
Which of the people who objected the burning of zim zhuar ALSO stated that he or she is a Chirstian or Catholic.
Also, is a person who objects to the burning of zim zhuar DEFINITELY a Christian or Catholic? -
ai ya... dun bother abt SumOne la...
He die die must Win de la...
oso not 1st time liao -
???? Wah piang.... I not the evil one here nor the one who got mistaken hor. Don't macham like say I am the bad guy like that. Also not like I start with the anti-religious comments.Originally posted by sunny6110:ai ya... dun bother abt SumOne la...
He die die must Win de la...
oso not 1st time liao