In this topic we shall post our thoughts on me with reasons
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Then when the time comes for your mother to make you drink water you call lorOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:The problem is - why should I? I've never been forced to drink water. -
Either a sarcastic remark or your poorly attempted counter-argument.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:So the next time your mother make you drink water you call the police ok?
If it is sarcastic, I'll brush it away.
If not, the problem is in the degree of intensity. I would definitely call police if my mom force me to drink water even til it is insanely impossible because that would be wrong.
It is really a poor attempt. Try harder. -
OK about rape. What about molest. Why would there be psychological harm from molest? I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just asking why.Originally posted by dinky1409:Of course being punched is not being molested. It was an analogy to show an infringement of basic rights. Very good, you have understood basic rights, privacy and morality are created by humans. The society is made up of humans. They do vary from human to human I agree but for this case it is definitely a consensus of the majority of the society. Doing something against my permission is a definite infringement of basic rights. It is the most basic of all basic and I would pity you greatly for being confused on this very fact.
Sex sure is great, well at least you and me agree. Or to that fact, many others will agree. But is forced sex great? Now the object of who applied the force does not matter. A girl being forced to sex would be just as unpleasant as you would be forced to sex. Or this guy. Or that guy. Or whoever is being raped. You would argue that you love sex, so forced sex is good. I would assume that you have lost the whole meaning of "forced sex" then. If you enjoy it, you are not being forced anymore. You have essentially allow the other party to continue the act. It would then be consensual sex. Would you allow a big grizzly bear to rape you? Well unless you permit the bear to continue grilling your poor hole, I wouldn't say that you would enjoy it.
They would essentially have sex with their partners I agreed. But the fact is that they disliked the fact that they are forced. So many females in this world love sex as much as we do but if and only if they permit themselves into committing that act.
All these explanation had been made easier for us. Through simply terming it as wrong. The laws says it. Your society says it. What are the chances you, an individual, going against the views of the majority, the experienced, the experts, thinks that it is not wrong?
Like I have said before, "Now to ask something that is inevitably as clear as ABC, and something that is quite insensitive to the female population, that would put a question mark to the sincerity in that question. Whether it is truly an innocent question or mere inferiority to the norm's intelligence." -
So being touched in a cinema is insanely impossible to bear with why?Originally posted by dinky1409:Either a sarcastic remark or your poorly attempted counter-argument.
If it is sarcastic, I'll brush it away.
If not, the problem is in the degree of intensity. I would definitely call police if my mom force me to drink water even til it is insanely impossible because that would be wrong.
It is really a poor attempt. Try harder. -
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Different people, different perspective. Some will undergo treatment and lead normal lives, others will forever live in fear.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Alright I give in on rape. But molest - why does that cause psychological harm? That is what I am asking. And rape doesn't have to be forceful does it?
The word rape already suggests that it's forceful. Either physical or psychological.
Whether or not you like the person, is none of my business. But the logic is there, you won't like somebody touching your things without your permission.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I will like the person.
What's self respect?
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The problem is still, why should I? The question is opened to all sorts of interpretations, none of which I would agree nor disagree, to give a hint if they are right or wrong.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Then when the time comes for your mother to make you drink water you call lor -
How would you feel if someone whom you don't know just touches you?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:OK about rape. What about molest. Why would there be psychological harm from molest? I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just asking why.
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Different people, different perspective. Some will undergo treatment and lead normal lives, others will forever live in fear. The word rape already suggests that it's forceful. Either physical or psychological.
OK so if you get touched before you say anything and you like it, it isn't molest? But why won't you like it!
When I mentioned forceful I meant to the extent that you will die.Whether or not you like the person, is none of my business. But the logic is there, you won't like somebody touching your things without your permission.
No really I like people touching my dog because it's cute and is supposed to be touched. -
Alright then you stop talking about water.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:The problem is still, why should I? The question is opened to all sorts of interpretations, none of which I would agree nor disagree, to give a hint if they are right or wrong. -
I'm going to assume two things:Originally posted by Eric Cartman:So being touched in a cinema is insanely impossible to bear with why?
1. You started this thread just to get back at 1 or 2 persons.
2. You've got a thick skull, of which not many things you've not understood.
If you are doing this because of number 1, I believe your motive has been achieved.
If you are doing this because of number 2, either you've not seen the world, or you are just a sadist. -
If it were a girl then I would be more than happy.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:How would you feel if someone whom you don't know just touches you?
Or rather, have you experience it before? -
Ok now I think people we have to give in to the fact that this guy is below the average normal IQ for asking this "And rape doesn't have to be forceful does it?" The definition is clear. If really need, go use google or dictionary.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Alright I give in on rape. But molest - why does that cause psychological harm? That is what I am asking. And rape doesn't have to be forceful does it?
I will like the person.
What's self respect?
Molest cause psychological harm because it is not consensual. A non-consensual act done on a person may cause psychological harm. I would be traumatised by the act of a person taking away my money in my hands without my permission(robbing). Being molested would give a girl the feeling of her purity of being untouched/chaste being taken away and it would give the girl the feeling of being "dirty".
At this point, if you are really really truly sincerely interested in pursuing your question, with all due respect to your loved ones(no insult intended to them), why don't you try these 2 things on them? Makes things easier for all of us. and probably for you too cos you would probably know the instant answer.
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I just like to go to the very root of all things. Ideas are just fleeting concepts. The root of all things is true knowing.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:I'm going to assume two things:
1. You started this thread just to get back at 1 or 2 persons.
2. You've got a thick skull, of which not many things you've not understood.
If you are doing this because of number 1, I believe your motive has been achieved.
If you are doing this because of number 2, either you've not seen the world, or you are just a sadist. -
OK so if you get touched before you say anything and you like it, it isn't molest? But why won't you like it!
In the first place, I don't like anybody touching me, so I wouldn't say I like it. And it's freaking obvious why I won't like it.
When I mentioned forceful I meant to the extent that you will die.
As I've said previously, different people different perspectives. One group will still lead a normal life; the other will not.
Forceful to the extent of death... wouldn't explain. I don't like digging dead files up just for an explanation. If you want those files, just search the Net. -
I think that speaks enough of you.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:If it were a girl then I would be more than happy.
Maybe someone should call up the police and ask them to keep a lookout on you. -
You know, you can have sex with a girl normally and she can start calling rape after. And by forceful I mean to the point where you get hurt. If you tie the girl up you dont have to keep pressing her hands or beat her into submission or something, and it is still rape.Originally posted by dinky1409:Ok now I think people we have to give in to the fact that this guy is below the average normal IQ for asking this "And rape doesn't have to be forceful does it?" The definition is clear. If really need, go use google or dictionary.
Molest cause psychological harm because it is not consensual. A non-consensual act done on a person may cause psychological harm. I would be traumatised by the act of a person taking away my money in my hands without my permission(robbing). Being molested would give a girl the feeling of her purity of being untouched/chaste being taken away and it would give the girl the feeling of being "dirty".
At this point, if you are really really truly sincerely interested in pursuing your question, with all due respect to your loved ones(no insult intended to them), why don't you try these 2 things on them? Makes things easier for all of us. and probably for you too cos you would probably know the instant answer.
So it's all about her purity and chaste?
Nah I'm asking because I dont know so I'm not gonna do anything. -
And your point of starting this thread is?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I just like to go to the very root of all things. Ideas are just fleeting concepts. The root of all things is true knowing.
I only see two. -
Very good. I like your spirit and your enthusiasm to learn. But some questions are mere sensitive and as part of the society, you ought to exercise some level of tolerance and sensitivity. Some of the questions you asked are pretty obvious and because of the high chances of it offending the mass, you should phrase it in a way that would be as tactfully as possible. Your enthusiasm to have true knowledge is commendable but apparently your "stupidity" throws it all. And you chose CHIT CHAT-sgForum in all the forums of the world to expose yourself. Cos the people here, if you want to know the root of my point, is they won't tolerate your "nonsense"...Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I just like to go to the very root of all things. Ideas are just fleeting concepts. The root of all things is true knowing. -
It depends which laws you are reading.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:You know, you can have sex with a girl normally and she can start calling rape after. And by forceful I mean to the point where you get hurt. If you tie the girl up you dont have to keep pressing her hands or beat her into submission or something, and it is still rape.
So it's all about her purity and chaste?
Nah I'm asking because I dont know so I'm not gonna do anything.
In Singapore, yes.
In the US, no.
If I believe that you won't do anything, I will be an idiot. -
In the first place, I don't like anybody touching me, so I wouldn't say I like it. And it's freaking obvious why I won't like it.
OK I'm stupid, but I dont really see why.As I've said previously, different people different perspectives. One group will still lead a normal life; the other will not.
But I'm not talking about the aftermath I'm saying the process.Forceful to the extent of death... wouldn't explain. I don't like digging dead files up just for an explanation. If you want those files, just search the Net.
I said it doesn't always have to be forceful to the point of hurt right?I think that speaks enough of you.
Erm it's normal for every guy no?
Maybe someone should call up the police and ask them to keep a lookout on you.And your point of starting this thread is?
I gave you the 3rd one too bad if you can't see it. Taking things for granted is what makes people fall you know?
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Alright then continue to be your idiot because I am afraid of the brute force which is law. Brute force does not have to listen.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:It depends which laws you are reading.
In Singapore, yes.
In the US, no.
If I believe that you won't do anything, I will be an idiot. -
"You know, you can have sex with a girl normally and she can start calling rape after" --> In the true essence of the meaning rape, is this rape to you? I'm sure you are at least smart enough to know the difference between rape and bluffing. But then again, this is debatable. Because the experts would have to take into consideration her state of mind at the moment of the act. You said normally so I assume this example of yours is when the girl is in perfect thinking capability to make her decisions.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:You know, you can have sex with a girl normally and she can start calling rape after. And by forceful I mean to the point where you get hurt. If you tie the girl up you dont have to keep pressing her hands or beat her into submission or something, and it is still rape.
So it's all about her purity and chaste?
Nah I'm asking because I dont know so I'm not gonna do anything.
Yes, essentially it boils down to her purity and chaste. -
They will listen if you have valid strong arguments. That's why they build such things as courts.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Alright then continue to be your idiot because I am afraid of the brute force which is law. Brute force does not have to listen. -
I did see the third one, but I believe it's more than the third one that you are asking for.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I gave you the 3rd one too bad if you can't see it. Taking things for granted is what makes people fall you know?
As for others, I don't think I will ever reply. My short answer to the whole thing is: One needs to die to know what death is.
I won't bother explaining either, because one word could summarize this whole sentence up.