Should the Hwa Chong student be suspended?
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exactly.... don't see how the citibank issue come into this discussion?Originally posted by DeadPoet:That my friend, is a different issue.
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got fight meh?Originally posted by allentyb:
woohoo
fght! fight! fight!
i looking for joining in
unruly KIDS -
this shows that you do not know what's happening now. you are saying that the bus driver is trying to act as a cop so as to earn merit points from the bus company. EVERY BUS CAPTAIN HAS THE RIGHT TO ACT AS A COP if he/she deemed that if this person is using a stolen card, he HAS THE RIGHT to take it away from him. the immediate reaction of the bus captain DO NOT MEAN that the girl has stole the ezlink card. every bus captain's reaction react THIS WAY when he/she feels that someone stole another person's card.Originally posted by BillyBong:Is he free from all blame? With the number of people who lose things like ez-link cards and people who pick them up (scavangers so to speak), should the immediate reaction of the bus driver be that the student (girl) 'stole' the card?
Was he dilligently trying to score points by 'catching red-handed' a perceived thief without adequate proof based on mere suspicion? Even police officers require a warrent before searching someone's apartment, yet this driver took it upon himself to play the role of cop, attempting to block the students from 'running away'.
While the student's overly aggressive response should not be overlooked and merits punitive punishment, was the bus driver oversealous in his approach? I have met my fair share of bus drivers and many of them are also uncouth, rude and bad-tempered. I hardly believe this particular driver forms the minority of 'nice drivers'.
Instead of attempting to bar the students, he should have radioed SBS transit for advice, have them ferry the closest inspector to his location and stop the bus at the next bus-stop. To prevent them from leaving the bus, he should have left his seat and engage the manual door activation to allow the passenger to alight and then close it back to prevent the students from attempting their 'getaway'. From the story, it seems he opened the doors using the standard remote activation system from the driver's seat, which was a mistake since he guessed correctly that the students would try to make a run for it.
Then again, with all the witnesses giving the driver the sympathy vote, there's isn't much hope for the student already.
nextly, this may not be one "nice driver as you said". but at least this bus captain enforces the bus company's law, in which the bus company should/might give him a merit for it.
thirdly, the bus captain might be at fault, but HE DID try to bar them from leaving. don't forget, if the student and his girlfriend is still in the bus, when the bus inspector come after the bus driver radioed to SBS Transit, for the bus inspector to go in, the front/back door will have to be opened,where they might even make a dash for it once more. even if the driver's door opens and the driver gets out, they can even go out from the drivers door when the bus captain is not looking since the bus captain would most likely be outside the bus. you said about the manual door activation, DON'T FORGET they can make a run from it still, by actually crouching underneath the bus captain. the bus captain couldn't be that fat.
lastly, giving the driver the sympathy vote is correct because the boy DID PUNCH the bus captain, who is more elder than him. by punching the bus captain, he is showing disrespectfulness to someone who is actually older than him and furthermore do you think people will actually support this person who is only in his adolescence who just punch someone who might be already 50 something years old? there still is hope for this student since people will most likely forget this incident already anyway. -
Sure.Originally posted by spycampers:how about u go through the lie detector electrical chair first. -
wow so full of confidence. when u sit on it, u die and ppl will laugh at ur stupidity.Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:Sure. -
so you are saying its ok to punch the bus captain if he was younger?Originally posted by BusSpeeder:lastly, giving the driver the sympathy vote is correct because the boy DID PUNCH the bus captain, who is more elder than him. by punching the bus captain, he is showing disrespectfulness to someone who is actually older than him and furthermore do you think people will actually support this person who is only in his adolescence who just punch someone who is already 50 something years old? there still is hope for this student since people will most likely forget this incident already anyway.
or that just because the person is older than the puncher, it makes the offence worse? are you proposing that we mete out punishments based partly onthe difference in ages?
question to ponder, should respect be given only when due or just due to age difference? -
Respect should be given to the person doing his duty. Also, if a person is innocent, there is no need to get upset, regardless of.Originally posted by hisoka:so you are saying its ok to punch the bus captain if he was younger?
or that just because the person is older than the puncher, it makes the offence worse? are you proposing that we mete out punishments based partly onthe difference in ages?
question to ponder, should respect be given only when due or just due to age difference?
Nonetheless, respect should always be given to an older person....
In this case: this older person is doing his duty... therefore all the more, respect HAS TO BE GIVEN. -
im not saying that its ok to punch the bus captain. im only saying that the boy should not be punching someone who is much older than him as its showing disrespectfulness to their elders. if the bus captain was young, its still wrong, but the bus captain is young, so it DOES NOT show disrespectfulness to their elders. but this bus captain is elderly. the key word is ELDERLY. ever imagine being hitten when someone grow old by a adolescence?Originally posted by hisoka:so you are saying its ok to punch the bus captain if he was younger?
or that just because the person is older than the puncher, it makes the offence worse? are you proposing that we mete out punishments based partly onthe difference in ages?
question to ponder, should respect be given only when due or just due to age difference?
should respect be given only when due or just due to age difference? BOTH, but just due to age difference should be given MORE respect. why not a 90 year old woman be hitten by his nephew when alot of pple respect her?
pls get ur facts right before asking me that qn because this boy is ACTUALLY AT FAULT FOR HITTING SOMEONE who is actually older than him. -
im on your side, im nt siding with the boy in any sense. im siding with the bus captain. i know punch = assault.Originally posted by tokyofire:U all very funny... i dont understand why u all want to side with the boy.
Punch = Assault
Assault mean a threatened or attempted physical attack by someone who appears to be able to cause bodily harm if not stopped -
aiya, just let the so called elites lick balls for a while more
he confirm will get killed 1 -
u noe ppl..
it doesn't matter where the student is from. According to eye witness accounts which i read from TNP ( which might just be sensationalised, I would never noe ) i think the student should be prosecuted and given a serious warning.. yes he should be prosecuted, but take note he's only 17 and needs the 2nd chance.. but he has to learn the lesson. let's not destroy his future just yet .. not at 17.. so i believe a warning with some form of counselling or community service might do the trick..
I also personally hope that he apologizes for what he has done. This is shameful enuff and i believe that he will learn his lesson.
read today's TNP.. am dissappointed with article by Andrew Chin. Linking academics and difficulty fitting in with the actions he has commited. -
Yes please do not insult HCI - or else they will send another 16 year old kid to try to punch the day light out of you !!!Originally posted by BusSpeeder:do u have to insult HCI? u say HCI is a bad sch? what if someone from HCI looked onto ur post? insult him as well?
Haha !!! They may have gather all new HCI students in the hall , and show them Rocky I, II, III, IV , V till all think they Rocky !!!!
Shame on HCI !!! At the school management - for trying to find excuse for their student ! When he is at plan fault !!! They should just admit it as wrong and do something about it !!!
Why pity this young punk ! The whole bus scream for him to stop hitting the bus driver - he did not, in the end someone have to hold him down. This idiot should be send into the ring with Rocky - and get his head punch right !!! -
please get your facts right i was asking you to clarify. no where did i say the biy was not at fualt.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:im not saying that its ok to punch the bus captain. im only saying that the boy should not be punching someone who is much older than him as its showing disrespectfulness to their elders. if the bus captain was young, its still wrong, but the bus captain is young, so it DOES NOT show disrespectfulness to their elders. but this bus captain is elderly. the key word is ELDERLY. ever imagine being hitten when someone grow old by a adolescence?
should respect be given only when due or just due to age difference? BOTH, but just due to age difference should be given MORE respect. why not a 90 year old woman be hitten by his nephew when alot of pple respect her?
pls get ur facts right before asking me that qn because this boy is ACTUALLY AT FAULT FOR HITTING SOMEONE who is actually older than him.
the bus driver wasn't an elderly. hes just 5x.
so you are saying just becuase the person has lived more years the person should be given respect? i would differ, adding clauses and qualifications but you are entitled to your views.
so how much respect do you propose to be given per chronlogical year difference?
i would say the guy is perhaps wrong to hit the person. old or not, is not an issue. in fact, hitting a innocent respectable person is as wrong as hitting innocent disreputable person. -
upset about what? don't get you. but if you are talking about being upset at being detained, then i would say if i was innocent and got detained i would be upset. being delayed and your time wasted as well as subject to public scrutiny for no valid reason sounds like pretty good reasons to be upset.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Respect should be given to the person doing his duty. Also, if a person is innocent, there is no need to get upset, regardless of.
Nonetheless, respect should always be given to an older person....
In this case: this older person is doing his duty... therefore all the more, respect HAS TO BE GIVEN.
Older person always deserving respect as above, i would qualify with which what that person has done, or how he behaves rather than just use a blanket older means should be respected. matter of opinion.
respect a older person who is doing his job? how much respect? from you phrasing it appears to be over and above the respect given to normal pple; somehow i don't agree. -
Respect is never an entitlement for an individual. Mere age does not grant a free pass for respect as well.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Respect should be given to the person doing his duty. Also, if a person is innocent, there is no need to get upset, regardless of.
Nonetheless, respect should always be given to an older person....
In this case: this older person is doing his duty... therefore all the more, respect HAS TO BE GIVEN.
The first thing I drummed into my trainees in the Army is that respect has to be earned, not given. And certainly not granted a free pass through some curious sociological phenomenon.
Generally, respect is shown to a sign of legitimate authority, not the person holding that sign. So age as a quantifier is definitely a misnomer, whilst duty and authority can be accorded generic respect in proportion to the proper and responsible carriage of such duties. -
Originally posted by Kenashi:
Confusion leads to unhappiness. You are of course not "totally" confused. From your posts, on the other hand, you have displayed many "fallacies" in your head.
i can tell u r confused all the time since u don't even understand yr own speech
who got canned unjustly, u huh! poor u
i know u like to pity yrself but pls don't do it here, i don't like to see a crying baby
pls learn to be a man not a wussy
i am doing the right thing in telling u the truth, see how gd i am to u.
but if u want to cry like a baby, i will treat u like one too
When I said that birds of a feather flock together I meant that your argument that you have a group of friends proves that you are not "unsociable" is not valid.
Whether or not you are unsociable would depend on how well you get along with people who are not your friends. You choose your friends... the chances are very high that you chose them as friends because you can get along with them and they, you. -
The student should be canned and assigned with corrective work order. But I tink expulsion from sch or jailing is a bit overboard. Everyone should not be denied a chance of education, by expelling him is equivalent to denying him of a chance to receive educations.
Public shaming to a reasonable extent is good, so that it serve as a punishment to this kid and a deterrent to the others.
Btw, many ppl here are to anti-elites....Think if that person is ur child or sibling ...will u say the same thing??
I am not trying to defend this kid but I feel certain punishments stated by forumers here are too harsh. -
so in your opinion, the driver does not have the legitimate authority to retain the card - first, and to detain the perpetrators - next?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Generally, respect is shown to a sign of legitimate authority, not the person holding that sign. So age as a quantifier is definitely a misnomer, whilst duty and authority can be accorded generic respect in proportion to the proper and responsible carriage of such duties.
you said you are an army instructor.... isn't obeying the legitimate authority paramount? -
Originally posted by Skibi:Confusion leads to unhappiness. You are of course not "totally" confused. From your posts, on the other hand, you have displayed many "fallacies" in your head.
When I said that birds of a feather flock together I meant that your argument that you have a group of friends proves that you are not "unsociable" is not valid.
Whether or not you are unsociable would depend on how well you get along with people who are not your friends. You choose your friends... the chances are very high that you chose them as friends because you can get along with them and they, you.
[color=darkblue]Confusion leads to unhappiness. You are of course not "totally" confused. From your posts, on the other hand, you have displayed many "fallacies" in your head.Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:UNHAPPY DOESN'T MEANS CONFUSED. MAKE YOUR FACTS RIGHT LAH!!!!!
I DON'T AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT "BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER".
IF YOU AGREE TO THIS STATEMENT, THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY AM I IN REPUBLIC POLYTECHNIC.
When I said that birds of a feather flock together I meant that your argument that you have a group of friends proves that you are not "unsociable" is not valid.
Whether or not you are unsociable would depend on how well you get along with people who are not your friends. You choose your friends... the chances are very high that you chose them as friends because you can get along with them and they, you.
Why are you in RP? Could it be because:
1. You are good at passing exams?
2. You had lots of tuition?
3. You are bad in certain areas but you are good in studies?
4. You are good for memorizing and regurgitating facts from books but when you are asked to form your own opinions you fail miserably?
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hes talking about the age factor not whether the bus driver had the right to do what he did.Originally posted by Chin Eng:so in your opinion, the driver does not have the legitimate authority to retain the card - first, and to detain the perpetrators - next?
you said you are an army instructor.... isn't obeying the legitimate authority paramount?
hmmz hamiltonian, are you like extra skilled in hamiltonians? i'm quite lost in them -
Once my older son - much younger than this JC kid, committed a rather serious offence rather unintentionally... upon finding out what happen - I made him walk out to the person he commited the offence to and made him apologised. I only apologise AFTER my son had given his apology.Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:Btw, many ppl here are to anti-elites....Think if that person is ur child or sibling ...will u say the same thing??
I am not trying to defend this kid but I feel certain punishments stated by forumers here are too harsh.
A offence is an offence - stupid enough to commit it, better be responsible enough to own up. -
err my post has nothing to do wif the guy just above my post....I am only saying out wat I feel abt the general thrend....Originally posted by hisoka:hes talking about the age factor not whether the bus driver had the right to do what he did.
hmmz hamiltonian, are you like extra skilled in hamiltonians? i'm quite lost in them -
i didn't reply to this as i was on major network downtime for an hour. he's 5x but senior citizen STARTS at 55 years old meaning he will be one at 55. then let me ask you, should a 17 years old PUNCH A 48 years old FOR NO REASON. and i know that a person who has lived for quite long do not need to ge given due respect if he/she did something wrong but let me tell you this. find the person who said "respect the elderly" then answer meOriginally posted by hisoka:please get your facts right i was asking you to clarify. no where did i say the biy was not at fualt.
the bus driver wasn't an elderly. hes just 5x.
so you are saying just becuase the person has lived more years the person should be given respect? i would differ, adding clauses and qualifications but you are entitled to your views.
so how much respect do you propose to be given per chronlogical year difference?
i would say the guy is perhaps wrong to hit the person. old or not, is not an issue. in fact, hitting a innocent respectable person is as wrong as hitting innocent disreputable person. -
well it depends because the bus captain may have a corrupted mind.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Respect should be given to the person doing his duty. Also, if a person is innocent, there is no need to get upset, regardless of.
Nonetheless, respect should always be given to an older person....
In this case: this older person is doing his duty... therefore all the more, respect HAS TO BE GIVEN. -
Pls read my whole post carefully. I did not say we should cover up for our sons/siblings. What I said was the punishments suggested by many forummers were too harsh....jailing ,expulsion etc.....Would they give such comments if the kid concern is their children??Originally posted by Chin Eng:Once my older son - much younger than this JC kid, committed a rather serious offence rather unintentionally... upon finding out what happen - I made him walk out to the person he commited the offence to and made him apologised. I only apologise AFTER my son had given his apology.
A offence is an offence - stupid enough to commit it, better be responsible enough to own up.
In short, pls read my previous post again.....