Should the Hwa Chong student be suspended?
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no lah just asking you about hamiltonian physics/maths. nothign to do with him.Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:err my post has nothing to do wif the guy just above my post....I am only saying out wat I feel abt the general thrend....
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That student should be suspended and given many hours of community service.
Hwa chong big fark ah....... -
I think we should just leave the unknown, to be unknown.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:well it depends because the bus captain may have a corrupted mind. -
yes.. jailing for a young minor is too harsh. I agree with Canning and CWO.Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:The student should be canned and assigned with corrective work order. But I tink expulsion from sch or jailing is a bit overboard. Everyone should not be denied a chance of education, by expelling him is equivalent to denying him of a chance to receive educations.
Public shaming to a reasonable extent is good, so that it serve as a punishment to this kid and a deterrent to the others.
Btw, many ppl here are to anti-elites....Think if that person is ur child or sibling ...will u say the same thing??
I am not trying to defend this kid but I feel certain punishments stated by forumers here are too harsh. -
The driver's uniform and his position confers the legitimacy, not the driver as an individual.Originally posted by Chin Eng:so in your opinion, the driver does not have the legitimate authority to retain the card - first, and to detain the perpetrators - next?
you said you are an army instructor.... isn't obeying the legitimate authority paramount?
That is the gist of the whole issue.
Legitimate authority is a very broad issue. I'm one of those who do not tell my men to obey blindly.
I'm not an instructor like a BMTC or SISPEC instructor, but I had my guys under me. -
ic....Not really that good in physics...but passionately curiousOriginally posted by hisoka:no lah just asking you about hamiltonian physics/maths. nothign to do with him. 
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if they did a serious offence then of course their parents will most likely give their child a linient punishment. but if its a repeat offender, then of course, harsh punishment has to be executed. most likely the HCI boy would not dare to do it again.Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:Pls read my whole post carefully. I did not say we should cover up for our sons/siblings. What I said was the punishments suggested by many forummers were too harsh....jailing ,expulsion etc.....Would they give such comments if the kid concern is their children??
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OK this part I agree.... punishment should be meted out, but some are quite an overkill.Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:Pls read my whole post carefully. I did not say we should cover up for our sons/siblings. What I said was the punishments suggested by many forummers were too harsh....jailing ,expulsion etc.....Would they give such comments if the kid concern is their children??
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how would i know which idiot said respect the elderly......Originally posted by BusSpeeder:i didn't reply to this as i was on major network downtime for an hour. he's 5x but senior citizen STARTS at 55 years old meaning he will be one at 55. then let me ask you, should a 17 years old PUNCH A 48 years old FOR NO REASON. and i know that a person who has lived for quite long do not need to ge given due respect if he/she did something wrong but let me tell you this. find the person who said "respect the elderly" then answer me
btu you did mention it was more wrong because the person hit was elderly. i don't know if hes over 55 but if i'm not wrong certain functions and limits from the government or government linked companies set the age at 60 or 65 or was it 63.
i was protesting the age issue not whether it was wrong. i mentioned that it is wrong if there is no reason. but then this case is not clear, the driver was detaining him and grabbing either him or his gf as i recall, not exactly no reason. -
don't use such words. later some HCI students come comment u like what they did to someone else.Originally posted by MingFreeman:That student should be suspended and given many hours of community service.
Hwa chong big fark ah....... -
I don't quite get this one.... the uniform and position states he has legitimacy, but the person doesn't have the legitimacy... so how to work?Originally posted by LazerLordz:The driver's uniform and his position confers the legitimacy, not the driver as an individual. -
[rant]HCI?Originally posted by BusSpeeder:don't use such words. later some HCI students come comment u like what they did to someone else.
I'm afraid they should know their place and hierarchy in the Singapore schools' network, there are bigger boys out there. [/rant] -
So we should simply not pull in the age factor, which was the issue i had misgivings over your interpretation in the first place.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I don't quite get this one.... the uniform and position states he has legitimacy, but the person doesn't have the legitimacy... so how to work?
A young bus driver has the same authority as an older man because they share the same role. Age is not a differential here mah. -
Too many ppl here are bashing HCI rather than putting down constructive comments....
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bigger boys such as?Originally posted by LazerLordz:[rant]HCI?
I'm afraid they should know their place and hierarchy in the Singapore schools' network, there are bigger boys out there. [/rant] -
Go figuref. It's actually inconsequential to the context of this thread..just thought I'd toss something in here now and then.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:bigger boys such as?
Really amusing to see a whole school up in arms over a misdeed. -
ya, they are trying to make fault for HCI, a FAMED school. might as well make fault for RI, RGS, SNGS -.-Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:Too many ppl here are bashing HCI rather than putting down constructive comments.... -
I should apologise for giving the impression that I had said that age is the ONLY factor. I think I said that the by virtue that the driver is the authority should be the one thing that determines the conclusion.Originally posted by LazerLordz:So we should simply not pull in the age factor, which was the issue i had misgivings over your interpretation in the first place.
A young bus driver has the same authority as an older man because they share the same role. Age is not a differential here mah.
However I think, at least, for me, I am taught not to be offensive to adults.... and I am 45 yrs old. As such, my feel is that the youths nowadays do not respect age - of anyone they meet - the hawker center aunties, the toilet cleaners etc. -
well the boy did come from HCI so nonetheless, thats why some schools tell the whole school that they should not do unruly things, even outside of schools, that will pull their reputation down. once they do it, everyone comments about the bad points about the school already.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Really amusing to see a whole school up in arms over a misdeed. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
This is quite true.
I should apologise for giving the impression that I had said that age is the ONLY factor. I think I said that the by virtue that the driver is the authority should be the one thing that determines the conclusion.
However I think, at least, for me, I am taught not to be offensive to adults.... and I am 45 yrs old. [b]As such, my feel is that the youths nowadays do not respect age - of anyone they meet - the hawker center aunties, the toilet cleaners etc.[/b]
Anyway, perhaps I missed your point in the whole exchange.
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Actually, my impression of HC has not changed. I suppose the majority will not see HC in a different light just by the actions of one idiot.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:well the boy did come from HCI so nonetheless, thats why some schools tell the whole school that they should not do unruly things, even outside of schools, that will pull their reputation down. once they do it, everyone comments about the bad points about the school already. -
agreed. the youths are quite unruly these days, they often quarrel and find faults about minor problems. they can even get into fights with them somemore.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I should apologise for giving the impression that I had said that age is the ONLY factor. I think I said that the by virtue that the driver is the authority should be the one thing that determines the conclusion.
However I think, at least, for me, I am taught not to be offensive to adults.... and I am 45 yrs old. As such, my feel is that the youths nowadays do not respect age - of anyone they meet - the hawker center aunties, the toilet cleaners etc. -
by the action of one idiot, tha majority don't. but how about the minority?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Actually, my impression of HC has not changed. I suppose the majority will not see HC in a different light just by the actions of one idiot. -
Ah now then i remember.....the father of the kid tried to use the same method used by jack neo in I not tuupid too.......kneeling down not to an ah mah...but to an unker...
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over such a small matter, this thread can reach up to 25 pages
teach the student a lesson, either send him for probation or trial him as an adult and make him pay for his mistake and let this be a lesson learn for all those elite school that they can't do whatever they want
kill one to warn 100
everyone is equal in the eyes of the law
why should we be forgiving and let that kid off with just a warning, send him to jail so that he will learn that he can't take things for granted