Should the Hwa Chong student be suspended?
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there is difference in offenceOriginally posted by Hamiltonian1125:Ah now then i remember.....the father of the kid tried to use the same method used by jack neo in I not tuupid too.......kneeling down not to an ah mah...but to an unker... -
over such a small matter we need to jail this jail that.....Originally posted by allentyb:
over such a small matter, this thread can reach up to 25 pages
teach the student a lesson, either send him for probation or trial him as an adult and make him pay for his mistake and let this be a lesson learn for all those elite school that they can't do whatever they want
kill one to warn 100
everyone is equal in the eyes of the law
why should we be forgiving and let that kid off with just a warning, send him to jail so that he will learn that he can't take things for granted -
there will always be a minority and you cannot force people to change their opinions.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:by the action of one idiot, tha majority don't. but how about the minority?
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if you are the boy's father, will you let your son off with a warning or will you let him go to jail? probation is in fact better than letting him go to jail. you should know that once he's in jail, it will be hard for him in the near future and his future as well. you should know that singapore now depends on your records. if they found a police record on you, they may, more or less, not hire you. somemore, he's under 18, he's only allowed to go to the reformative training centre or the boys' home.Originally posted by allentyb:
over such a small matter, this thread can reach up to 25 pages
teach the student a lesson, either send him for probation or trial him as an adult and make him pay for his mistake and let this be a lesson learn for all those elite school that they can't do whatever they want
kill one to warn 100
everyone is equal in the eyes of the law
why should we be forgiving and let that kid off with just a warning, send him to jail so that he will learn that he can't take things for granted -
well what if your assumption is wrong and the minority sees HCI in a different light instead of the majority seeing it this way?Originally posted by LazerLordz:there will always be a minority and you cannot force people to change their opinions. -
I'm all for creative sentencing, like perhaps doing community work in an old folks home, or getting him to assist a bus inspector for a day to see how tiring it is.
Punitive charges are not going to work. -
shouldnt be jail for 18 bah
but also shouldnt be let off with mere counselling
we havent even take him to task for blatantly lying
i feel punishments such as community service is good -
oh please, he can be trial as an adult if the matter is serious enough,Originally posted by BusSpeeder:if you are the boy's father, will you let your son off with a warning or will you let him go to jail? probation is in fact better than letting him go to jail. you should know that once he's in jail, it will be hard for him in the near future and his future as well. you should know that singapore now depends on your records. if they found a police record on you, they may, more or less, not hire you. somemore, he's under 18, he's only allowed to go to the reformative training centre or the boys' home.
furthermore, why should we let that fellow off with, just a warning, it is telling the public, oh, he is from an elite school so we should just let him off with a warning, if we are lenient in this case, next time, those HCI student will think it is ok, for them to commit this sort of act,
too much nonsense from them, they must pay for their mistake, -
then that's what PR agencies are there in the market for. After all, this post-modern society = short but intense attention span.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:well what if your assumption is wrong and the minority sees HCI in a different light instead of the majority seeing it this way?
I'm sure some PR agency can do damage control. -
Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:
it is a small matter, what ever it is in the news, this has become a ho ha incident already lor
[b]over such a small matter we need to jail this jail that..... [/b] -
Originally posted by allentyb:oh please, he can be trial as an adult if the matter is serious enough,
furthermore, why should we let that fellow off with, just a warning, it is telling the public, oh, he is from an elite school so we should just let him off with a warning, if we are lenient in this case, next time, those HCI student will think it is ok, for them to commit this sort of act,
too much nonsense from them, they must pay for their mistake,
Did we say we should let the boy off with just a mere warning??? -
i respect other people opinion on this matter, and i have my views on thisOriginally posted by Hamiltonian1125:
Did we say we should let the boy off with just a mere warning??? -
My brain frequency is totally different to that of yours....u cant see my point of view nor can I see ur point.....Originally posted by allentyb:it is a small matter, what ever it is in the news, this has become a ho ha incident already lor
Maybe u can tell me what frequency ur brainwave is and if possible I would adjust mine to fit urs.....hopefully no resonance will occur when we communicate which might cost destruction of our brain cells due to excessive large amplitude of vibration because of resonance.... -
assaulting ppl is a small matter?Originally posted by allentyb:it is a small matter, what ever it is in the news, this has become a ho ha incident already lor
If I'm not wrong, it warrants caning -
i do know that JUST because they are from an elite school, they should not be treated leniently. but don't you think that by jailing the boy would be too harsh? by saying this it means that anyone who just do any minor things, like by ACCIDENT an adult was tripped by a child and the child would be charged just because BY ACCIDENT. if thats the case, might as well say that even if a 17 year old boy punch 17 year old boy, will also be jailed as well. they by now should understand the laws of Singapore. certainly they would not do it. if they ever would do it the government would just strengthen the laws.Originally posted by allentyb:oh please, he can be trial as an adult if the matter is serious enough,
furthermore, why should we let that fellow off with, just a warning, it is telling the public, oh, he is from an elite school so we should just let him off with a warning, if we are lenient in this case, next time, those HCI student will think it is ok, for them to commit this sort of act,
too much nonsense from them, they must pay for their mistake, -
there is no need for me to be agreeable or even in the same channel as you areOriginally posted by Hamiltonian1125:My brain frequency is totally different to that of yours....u cant see my point of view nor can I see ur point.....
Maybe u can tell me what frequency ur brainwave is and if possible I would adjust mine to fit urs.....hopefully no resonance will occur when we communicate which might cost destruction of our brain cells due to excessive large amplitude of vibration because of resonance....
i already state what i feel, and he should be punished severely to teach those students that they can do whatever they want
let this incident to be known to all those HCI
they can't get away with just a mere warning, and he should be punished, at least with probation, and the rest of the students will learn!
this is already, what i stated, and i am not going to change my point of view, and you don't have to be agreeable with me at all
why should we give that student another chance, just because he is young?
as i said before - kill one to warn 100 people -
wowowo...cool it dun get me wrong.....I respect ur point of view but dun really understand u...What I try to mean in my previous post was how can I place myself in ur position and understand how u feel abt this incident.... Afterall, human do try to understand each other right??Originally posted by allentyb:there is no need for me to be agreeable or even in the same channel as you are
i already state what i feel, and he should be punished severely to teach those students that they can do whatever they want
let this incident to be known to all those HCI
they can't get away with just a mere warning, and he should be punished, at least with probation, and the rest of the students will learn!
this is already, what i stated, and i am not going to change my point of view, and you don't have to be agreeable with me at all
why should we give that student another chance, just because he is young?
as i said before - kill one to warn 100 people -
oh please, that HCI student said that it was an accident, who will really believe this sort of nonsense, i am not buying these sort of nonsenseOriginally posted by BusSpeeder:i do know that JUST because they are from an elite school that they should be treated leniently. but don't you think that by jailing the boy would be too harsh? by saying this it means that anyone who just do any minor things, like by ACCIDENT an adult was tripped by a child and the child would be charged just because BY ACCIDENT. if thats the case, might as well say that even if a 17 year old boy punch 17 year old boy, will also be jailed as well. they by now should understand the laws of Singapore. certainly they would not do it. if they ever would do it the government would just strengthen the laws.
wait till, he face the judge, and then he tell him, sorry, your honour, it was an accident that i punched him, who give him the right to punch the bus driver, maybe even if the bus driver is rude or over bearing, doesn't mean that he deserve this sort of beating, and he used violence, and what does that tell us, he is reckless, and arrogant, it is no mere accident, it is an act of rebellious, if today it is a ah beng who punched the bus driver, are you sure, you would said the same thing
please he should be punished at least, with 2 years of probation, and let him, be an example to those students, that they can't get away from it
his father has to beg for forgiveness on his behalf, does he even have the balls to do so! -
as i said to another person, you are NOT getting my point. im, in fact, am standing on the bus captain side, the boy should NOT be treated leniently just because he's from HCI. i did not say that i believe what he said. but the type of punishment should differ as he's only a kid. i agree with the 2 years of probation but i DID NOT agree with jail as that is too harsh, seriously. once you are in jail u will no longer have a bright future. singaporean economy only hire people with a clean record.Originally posted by allentyb:oh please, that HCI student said that it was an accident, who will really believe this sort of nonsense, i am not buying these sort of nonsense
wait till, he face the judge, and then he tell him, sorry, your honour, it was an accident that i punched him, who give him the right to punch the bus driver, maybe even if the bus driver is rude or over bearing, doesn't mean that he deserve this sort of beating, and he used violence, and what does that tell us, he is reckless, and arrogant, it is no mere accident, it is an act of rebellious, if today it is a ah beng who punched the bus driver, are you sure, you would said the same thing
please he should be punished at least, with 2 years of probation, and let him, be an example to those students, that they can't get away from it
his father has to beg for forgiveness on his behalf, does he even have the balls to do so! -
Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:
i admit my comment is harsh, and everyone should be equal, why should we allow such behaviour to go off with just a mere warning, since when did those students ever respect anyone, since teenage always cry out for more freedom, more rights, and we should treat them as an adult
wowowo...cool it dun get me wrong.....I respect ur point of view but dun really understand u...What I try to mean in my previous post was how can [b]I place myself in ur position and understand how u feel abt this incident.... Afterall, human do try to understand each other right?? [/b]
look at what happen, when trouble landed on your doorstep, you humji and call your parents about it, and cry over it, instead of, be a man, immediately apologise to the bus driver, and face the music
he dare to throw his fist at a bus driver, maybe the bus driver attitude was provoking him, but that doesn't give him the rights to punch a fellow,
which is why, i said that he should be punish accordingly to what the law has stated, since they always demand to be treated as an adult all the time, then this is a chance for him to learn what an adult will face, when they make a mistake,
if because he is still a child, and we just give him a warning, what will the others think? 2 years of probation should make that fellow learn his lesson -
Correct lor....Singapore economy only hire ppl with clean records....really pity those prisoners that came out from prisons....simi yellow ribbons....Originally posted by BusSpeeder:as i said to another person, you are NOT getting my point. im, in fact, am standing on the bus captain side, the boy should NOT be treated leniently just because he's from HCI. i did not say that i believe what he said. but the type of punishment should differ as he's only a kid. i agree with the 2 years of probation but i DID NOT agree with jail as that is too harsh, seriously. once you are in jail u will no longer have a bright future. singaporean economy only hire people with a clean record.
Look, will this boy be sent to boys' home instead? Not sure about this, but won't be surprising to me if a sentence of going to boys' home is passed to a boy who came from a normal neighbourhood school whom comitted the same act as this student.... -
the reason why i said that he should be jailed for his doing, is because, he is from a very educated school and he should be more civilised, but look at his behaviour, first he try to run away, if you are innocent, would you try to run away, but what did he did, he punched a bus driver, and what happen, he has to be restrained, which means that he is out of control
if these sort of person was to be let go with just a mere warning, how will the rest of the students think?
we can't just close one eye, just because he is young, nowadays teenage has not been respectful to others, they must be taught that, if you make a mistake, you should own up to it, and apologise, instead of, father beg for forgiveness for your own fault, that is what pissed me off
if he owns up to his mistake, instead of claiming, it was an accident, and apologise for his doing, maybe he should be let go with an warning -
So u are the type that seeks for absolute equality in this case....Originally posted by allentyb:i admit my comment is harsh, and everyone should be equal, why should we allow such behaviour to go off with just a mere warning, since when did those students ever respect anyone, since teenage always cry out for more freedom, more rights, and we should treat them as an adult
look at what happen, when trouble landed on your doorstep, you humji and call your parents about it, and cry over it, instead of, be a man, immediately apologise to the bus driver, and face the music
he dare to throw his fist at a bus driver, maybe the bus driver attitude was provoking him, but that doesn't give him the rights to punch a fellow,
which is why, i said that he should be punish accordingly to what the law has stated, since they always demand to be treated as an adult all the time, then this is a chance for him to learn what an adult will face, when they make a mistake,
if because he is still a child, and we just give him a warning, what will the others think? 2 years of probation should make that fellow learn his lesson
Honestly would u say the same thing if the person concern is ur brother or even child? I.E agreeing the kid to be jailed or severe punishments carried out by sch and parents?
Not trying to pick on u....but to see if what u really truly feel what u said should be implemented.... -
Not to say that i'm aiming at this student, but i'm aiming at the society....
Any justice or punishment can be passed down to this student, be it a light one or heavy one, but be very sure that if next time there's a same occurance/incident and it so happen that the next boy that doesn't come from a reputable school or is a school-drop-out, i would want and expect to see the same treatment/justice done to him, same as this student for this incident.
We're talking about fairness & justice which the law is in placed, though can be flexible (very slim), but fairness & justice is should be placed. -
i am the type of person who seek equal treatment in everythingOriginally posted by Hamiltonian1125:So u are the type that seeks for absolute equality in this case....
Honestly would u say the same thing if the person concern is ur brother or even child? I.E agreeing the kid to be jailed or severe punishments carried out by sch and parents?
Not trying to pick on u....but to see if what u really truly feel what u said should be implemented....
and let me tell you one thing
my brother, when he was 16 years old, he got caught for stealing in the school, and he got 2 years of probation, and he never run away from it at all, what happen, we almost can't come up with the bail money, and he has to spend about 1 week in queenstown remand, and thankfully the judge only sentence 2 years of probation
so what do you think?