Should the Hwa Chong student be suspended?
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1. Drivers have the rights to confiscate a card if suspected to be misused. It happened to me, because I don't look my age.Originally posted by Skibi:The bus driver is at fault for agitating the student.
1. Confiscate others belongings.
2. Purposely close the bus door when the student wanted to leave.
IMO the bus driver should have just asked the student to pay the 80 cents and leave the matter as it is. No need to confiscate the card or stop people from leaving the bus.
On the other hand,
The student should have at least the common sense to offer to pay the 80 cents instead of talking with his fists. (maybe the student did pay the 80 cents? I don't know the full story.)
2. According to procedures. Not wrong.
If the student did nothing wrong, why did he punch the bus driver? He's guilty obviously. -
The machine had told the bus captain that the card had either been reported as 'lost or stolen'. True enough, the girl had earlier reported the card to be missing. The standard operating procedure in this case was to retain the card and give a slip of paper to the girl.Originally posted by Skibi:The bus driver is at fault for agitating the student.
1. Confiscate others belongings.
2. Purposely close the bus door when the student wanted to leave.
IMO the bus driver should have just asked the student to pay the 80 cents and leave the matter as it is. No need to confiscate the card or stop people from leaving the bus.
Don't fault the bus captain for following SOP. If he didn't retain the card and a bus inspector finds out that there was a 'lost or stolen' alert, he's got to answer for why he didn't follow the SOP. -
In conclusion,
This guy has shame HCI
This black sheep should be expelled
sha yi jing bai -
nothing more i can explain. dat basically summarised up that thread. i remember because i did supported his desire to complain because i find that practice silly too.Originally posted by dbowie:Ito care to explain further?
but whacking the bus driver is plain stupid. i don't support violence, and i think this person should be punished harshly in school. -
Maybe the police should trial that student as an adult
and then send him to jail
then all the teenage will realise the consequence
kill one, warn 100 people
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Originally posted by fudgester:
He can always report as "the student snatch the card back and ran away". Case closed and no one gets hurt.
The machine had told the bus captain that the card had either been reported as 'lost or stolen'. True enough, the girl had earlier reported the card to be missing. The standard operating procedure in this case was to retain the card and give a slip of paper to the girl.
Don't fault the bus captain for following SOP. If he didn't retain the card and a bus inspector finds out that there was a 'lost or stolen' alert, he's got to answer for why he didn't follow the SOP.
That bus driver is a bully and is just using the SOP as an excuse to act "sia lan" because he thinks that students especially from good school like HCI will just meekly accept his insults and not fight back. If the passenger is an angry and muscular indian/bangala man the bus driver usually don't do anything. (Youtube got alot of this kind of video).
One example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IcqQN-SVpg&mode=related&search= -
Haha.. Why HCl student immediately labelled as 'elite'? Why ah beng come from 'neighbourhood' schools?
I wonder wheres allentyb
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wondering the same thing too.Originally posted by nubcake:Haha.. Why HCl student immediately labelled as 'elite'? Why ah beng come from 'neighbourhood' schools? -
elite ah bengOriginally posted by nubcake:Haha.. Why HCl student immediately labelled as 'elite'? Why ah beng come from 'neighbourhood' schools?
I wonder wheres allentyb
power combo! -
If he escape with nothing just because he's a HCI student, then it really suck.
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singapore is 1 of the most unfairest country in the world...
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students from jc espically the top 5 jcs can do wad eva they want.
period.
students from there are educated to pawn those useless people like that bus driver.
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The student should be punished.
Whatever the case may be, he should not have hit the bus driver who is just doing his job though he might have sound unfriendly or rude.
He can say all he want but there are others who saw and restrain him from attacking the bus driver. Tell me who the judge believe?
He could have asked the driver why and reason it out with him rather than just trying to be a heroe in front of his gf.
Bottomline, you hit others, you pay the price. -
"Here's 10 bucks, now let me wallop you you b|00dy swine."
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Originally posted by nubcake:Haha.. Why HCl student immediately labelled as 'elite'? Why ah beng come from 'neighbourhood' schools?
I wonder wheres allentyb 
don't drag me into the picture
that student has to bear the consequence of his action -
I see that you're making plenty of judgement calls here. You're assuming that the bus captain is simply trying to act as a bully and picking on a student from a top school while hiding behind the SOP to protect himself. Which pretty much goes against the eyewitness accounts in the news article.Originally posted by Skibi:He can always report as "the student snatch the card back and ran away". Case closed and no one gets hurt.
That bus driver is a bully and is just using the SOP as an excuse to act "sia lan" because he thinks that students especially from good school like HCI will just meekly accept his insults and not fight back. If the passenger is an angry and muscular indian/bangala man the bus driver usually don't do anything. (Youtube got alot of this kind of video).
One example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IcqQN-SVpg&mode=related&search=
And on top of that, you expect the bus captain to make an outright lie in lieu of following the expected SOP. So if his lie gets found out, what do you want him to do then? Lie some more? And for what? To 'protect' some student who has an ezlink card which has (correctly) been declared invalid?
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nope.Originally posted by X-men:The student should be punished.
Whatever the case may be, he should not have hit the bus driver who is just doing his job though he might have sound unfriendly or rude.
He can say all he want but there are others who saw and restrain him from attacking the bus driver. Tell me who the judge believe?
He could have asked the driver why and reason it out with him rather than just trying to be a heroe in front of his gf.
Bottomline, you hit others, you pay the price.
that driver muz be very qian bian la...who ask him so nosey go confiscate the card provoke him and still held onto him and his gf somemore when they tried to leave. he started the provoking first one lor..i m all for the hci guy to hit him. hit him hard. the harder the better. so du lan....nothing better to do go provoke other ppl. lame. get hit now liao. happy? clap clap. -
School should have Anger Management as a module
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Originally posted by fudgester:
Well he can choose to be "sia lan" and follow SOP. But then what comes around goes around. He might just lose his job 6 mths later for some "other" reasons due to offending the wrong people.
You're assuming that the bus captain is simply trying to act as a bully and picking on a student from a top school while hiding behind the SOP to protect himself. Which pretty much goes against the eyewitness accounts in the news article. -
There you go... making glib assumptions that he was just being 'sia lan' and picking on the student just for kicks. Or in your point of view, following SOP is the same as being 'sia lan'?Originally posted by Skibi:Well he can choose to be "sia lan" and follow SOP. But then what comes around goes around. He might just lose his job 6 mths later for some "other" reasons due to offending the wrong people.
So you really want him to file a false report stating that the student ran away with the card?
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who really give a damn to those teenage, if they want to create trouble, regardless who started the quarrel, the end result, if you raise your fist, against that person, you are in wrong,
as i said before
put him in trial as an adult, make him pay for his mistake, put him in jail, and the rest of the teenage will realise that, they are nothing,
they have no rights, they are underage, so they should be punish by the law, whether you are from an elite school or not, it really doesn't matter
when you are in court, all of them will be 'treated' fairly
shame that student for the rest of his life, then the rest of the teenage will learn from it -
Originally posted by fudgester:
Why are you so defensive? The student really did snatch the card back and try to run away but was stopped because the bus driver purposely went the extra mile to close and refuse to open the door. Nobody is asking anyone to lie here. Perhaps read the paper again?
There you go... making glib assumptions that he was just being 'sia lan' and picking on the student just for kicks. Or in your point of view, following SOP is the same as being 'sia lan'?
So you really want him to file a false report stating that the student ran away with the card?
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Because the driver is just doing his job and you're accusing him of being sia lan. In short, you're the one making glib assumptions and jumping to conclusions.Originally posted by Skibi:Why are you so defensive? The student really did snatch the card back and try to run away but was stopped because the bus driver purposely closed and refused to open the door. Nobody is asking anyone to lie here. Perhaps read the paper again?
I've worked in the service industry long enough to have a feel of the both sides of the coin.
'Nuff said. I don't bother arguing with people who judge prematurely. -
why did he wants to snatch the card back in the first place, since the bus conductor already explain to him, what has happenOriginally posted by Skibi:Why are you so defensive? The student really did snatch the card back and try to run away but was stopped because the bus driver purposely went the extra mile to close and refuse to open the door. Nobody is asking anyone to lie here. Perhaps read the paper again?
maybe if the bus driver was rude, and it may provoke the student, did he has to raise his fist and punch the bus driver, can't he reason his way out, if you talk to people nicely, do you think they will treat you with the courtesy,
even if the bus driver is rude, all you need to do is, tell your parents, and ask them to complain to the management
there are many alternative to prevent this incident to be a big matter, but he didn't, so he is in wrong,
do you think SBS will said that they are in wrong, they will protect their driver, and insist that the bus driver is following SOP, -
misunderstanding lj lor
police came he cried?
beat ple still dare to cry.. he should be the one who apologised and begged for forgiveness and not the dad
should expel this kid