Wearing of graduation gowns in polys

• freakass

  6 Jun 07, 10:09

  Before the poly vs JC war starts again, let me remind you guys that you cannot compare poly (diploma) with JC ('A' levels)... simply becos poly provides tertiary education and JC does not...
  
  So if there really is any comparison to be made, it's poly vs uni becos both provides tertiary education and both prepares students for the working environment.
• hisoka

  6 Jun 07, 10:11

  Originally posted by freakass:

  Before the poly vs JC war starts again, let me remind you guys that you cannot compare poly (diploma) with JC ('A' levels)... simply becos poly provides tertiary education and JC does not...
  
  So if there really is any comparison to be made, it's poly vs uni becos both provides tertiary education and both prepares students for the working environment.

  i don't know about poly, but uni doesn;t prepare students for the working environment
• 798

  6 Jun 07, 10:15

  Originally posted by hisoka:

  i don't know about poly, but uni doesn;t prepare students for the working environment

  this applied to nus maybe. i know dat nus doesnt train students on job training. students from nus r not require to go for IA unless volunteer.
• choco B

  6 Jun 07, 10:22

  It's not that I'm a stickler about graduation gowns being used exclusively for University graduations. But I wonder what is the rationale behind the polytechnics wanting to adopt this tradition as well. If it is so that the gowns can give more "clout" or "prestige" to their graduation, then I think this move is misguided. Polytechnics should be confident enough in their programs and students to not need to borrow anything from university practices.
  
  If the wish is so that there is some sort of standard attire for the graduation, I think a school jacket and tie (for guys) will do nicely.
• stellazio

  6 Jun 07, 10:24

  Originally posted by choco B:

  It's not that I'm a stickler about graduation gowns being used exclusively for University graduations. But I wonder what is the rationale behind the polytechnics wanting to adopt this tradition as well. If it is so that the gowns can give more "clout" or "prestige" to their graduation, then I think this move is misguided. Polytechnics should be confident enough in their programs and students to not need to borrow anything from university practices.
  
  If the wish is so that there is some sort of standard attire for the graduation, I think a school jacket and tie (for guys) will do nicely.

  i think they want the students to feel proud of themselves. that for the most of em, they achieved sth in their life for the first time.
• 798

  6 Jun 07, 10:30

  Originally posted by choco B:

  It's not that I'm a stickler about graduation gowns being used exclusively for University graduations. But I wonder what is the rationale behind the polytechnics wanting to adopt this tradition as well. If it is so that the gowns can give more "clout" or "prestige" to their graduation, then I think this move is misguided. Polytechnics should be confident enough in their programs and students to not need to borrow anything from university practices.
  
  If the wish is so that there is some sort of standard attire for the graduation, I think a school jacket and tie (for guys) will do nicely.

  i think one of the reason is dat some students treat these ceremony very informality. some students (merit holder from china somemore) even worn school shoes to collect their cert.
  
  the introduce of gowns will made the ceremony more grand. with this, i believe there will be reduction of pple not attending it.
• choco B

  6 Jun 07, 10:31

  Perhaps it's just me, but if I were graduating from poly I don't see how that gown will add any value. It IS an achievement in itself. Err actually do any poly graduates doubt that?
  

  Originally posted by stellazio:

  i think they want the students to feel proud of themselves. that for the most of em, they achieved sth in their life for the first time.

• stellazio

  6 Jun 07, 10:34

  Originally posted by choco B:

  Perhaps it's just me, but if I were graduating from poly I don't see how that gown will add any value. It IS an achievement in itself. Err actually do any poly graduates doubt that?
  

  must differentiate between jc and poly it seems.
• choco B

  6 Jun 07, 10:35

  IMO if one already has a lackadaisical attitude towards the ceremony and did not want to attend (not that there's anything wrong with that) , the gown is just extra hassle, extra unnecessary expense, and all the more reason to avoid. But that's just my thinking lah.
  

  Originally posted by 798:

  i think one of the reason is dat some students treat these ceremony very informality. some students (merit holder from china somemore) even worn school shoes to collect their cert.
  
  the introduce of gowns will made the ceremony more grand. with this, i believe there will be reduction of pple not attending it.

• 798

  6 Jun 07, 10:36

  Originally posted by choco B:

  Perhaps it's just me, but if I were graduating from poly I don't see how that gown will add any value. It IS an achievement in itself. Err actually do any poly graduates doubt that?
  

  during my time, merit holders were different becos they need to wear a black blazer in addition while the rest r just formal.
  
  i wonder how they going to differential the different now since everyone wearing gown now?
• choco B

  6 Jun 07, 11:05

  Eh? Don't understand
  
  If it's a matter of changing attitudes and perception, I think a copy and paste quick-fix solution of graduation gowns has even less chance of succeeding. And it's such a lazy method to boot! Just how much do the poly registrars want things to change?? Obviously not enough to come up with something original that will tackle the root of the problem
  

  Originally posted by stellazio:

  must differentiate between jc and poly it seems.

• freakass

  6 Jun 07, 11:55

  Originally posted by hisoka:

  i don't know about poly, but uni doesn;t prepare students for the working environment

  It seriously depends on the nature and type of jobs that the students go into after they graduate.. and it also depends on the students' learning attitude while in university... Tertiary institutes can never 100% prepare students for the working environment because of the great variety of job types and job requirements out there in the working world. Therefore, the university's role is actually to provide the theoretical and practical basics to the students and at the same time cultivate good learning attitudes in them so that they will be able to learn on the job much easier and more efficiently next time.
• freakass

  6 Jun 07, 11:58

  Originally posted by 798:

  this applied to nus maybe. i know dat nus doesnt train students on job training. students from nus r not require to go for IA unless volunteer.

  Maybe you should state how you came to this conclusion.
  
  And for your info, IA does not help everyone... Sometimes, the IA is irrelevant to the students future job and sometimes the students dont learn anything from the IA at all... So IA doesnt really always equate to preparing students for the working world.
• 798

  6 Jun 07, 13:00

  Originally posted by freakass:

  Maybe you should state how you came to this conclusion.
  
  And for your info, IA does not help everyone... Sometimes, the IA is irrelevant to the students future job and sometimes the students dont learn anything from the IA at all... So IA doesnt really always equate to preparing students for the working world.

  IA provide experience n give students what to expect on their job training.
  
  students whereby train their communication and interpersonal skills on job environment. it does help students rather than make them think dat academic result==job performance which is not true.
  
  i learn this from my nus friends dat IA in nus are not compulsory. in ntu, it is compulsory to all unless u have reason such as:
  
  - poly students who graduated wif two years job-related experience.
  
  i find IA is necessary as it made students realise wat is the real world like.
• hisoka

  6 Jun 07, 13:32

  Originally posted by freakass:

  It seriously depends on the nature and type of jobs that the students go into after they graduate.. and it also depends on the students' learning attitude while in university... Tertiary institutes can never 100% prepare students for the working environment because of the great variety of job types and job requirements out there in the working world. Therefore, the university's role is actually to provide the theoretical and practical basics to the students and at the same time cultivate good learning attitudes in them so that they will be able to learn on the job much easier and more efficiently next time.

  but it still doesn't prepare the pple for the work environment
• hisoka

  6 Jun 07, 13:37

  Originally posted by 798:

  IA provide experience n give students what to expect on their job training.
  
  students whereby train their communication and interpersonal skills on job environment. it does help students rather than make them think dat academic result==job performance which is not true.
  
  i learn this from my nus friends dat IA in nus are not compulsory. in ntu, it is compulsory to all unless u have reason such as:
  
  - poly students who graduated wif two years job-related experience.
  
  i find IA is necessary as it made students realise wat is the real world like.

  i don't think it really prepares them. no lessons on backstabbing and taichi'ing
• 798

  6 Jun 07, 13:48

  Originally posted by hisoka:

  i don't think it really prepares them. no lessons on backstabbing and taichi'ing

  yes, learn how to handle when u encounter such situation.
  
  n not something u can flip from ur lecture notes.
  
  if u r not prepare wif these kind of situation, how r u going to step into the real world which is a jungle itself? IA has given students face during their 6-month stinks.
  
  
• soulwinner

  6 Jun 07, 13:50

  please elaborate further?
• 798

  6 Jun 07, 14:00

  Originally posted by soulwinner:

  please elaborate further?

  wat we gain the knowledge in sch may not neccessary related to the job scope. every company has their own set of culture n 'code of practice' to carry out their job smoothly n effectively.
  
  if u r going to tell ur supervisor a whole bunch of theories from the textbook, he is going to jam u straight.
  
  during my poly time, i encountered a bunch of selfish employees in one of the place i attached r not willing to share info wif me. luckily, though administrative work, i realised dat i learnt not only technical knowledge but bridging up some com skill by helping one another when in need.
  
  doing minor work may sometime give u some unexpecting outcome n reward without u being realise it.
• hisoka

  6 Jun 07, 14:03

  Originally posted by 798:

  yes, learn how to handle when u encounter such situation.
  
  n not something u can flip from ur lecture notes.
  
  if u r not prepare wif these kind of situation, how r u going to step into the real world which is a jungle itself? IA has given students face during their 6-month stinks.
  
  

  some theeoritical backing and basic methods to deal with mgiht help though. otherwise, its still throw them in and see if they sink or float.
  
  besides it definitely more useful than those moral modules if only serving as a warning
• 798

  6 Jun 07, 14:08

  Originally posted by hisoka:

  some theeoritical backing and basic methods to deal with mgiht help though. otherwise, its still throw them in and see if they sink or float.
  
  besides it definitely more useful than those moral modules if only serving as a warning

  wif ur thinking, i suggest u focus in R&D sector. cos ur customers may not have any idea wat ur chime theories r all about.
  
  
• nutpinko

  6 Jun 07, 14:16

  Originally posted by 798:

  wif ur thinking, i suggest u focus in R&D sector. cos ur customers may not have any idea wat ur chime theories r all about.
  
  

  agree
• hisoka

  6 Jun 07, 14:17

  Originally posted by 798:

  wif ur thinking, i suggest u focus in R&D sector. cos ur customers may not have any idea wat ur chime theories r all about.
  
  

  what so chim about teaching pple to be more aware of backstabbing and maybe teachign them some basic strategies?
  
  maybe it cannot be done, but thats another issue right?
• LazerLordz

  6 Jun 07, 14:18

  Originally posted by nutpinko:

  agree

  there's nothing wrong with R&D or academia as a path for your career.
• 798

  6 Jun 07, 14:42

  Originally posted by hisoka:

  what so chim about teaching pple to be more aware of backstabbing and maybe teachign them some basic strategies?
  
  maybe it cannot be done, but thats another issue right?

  ur boss is not interested in ur theories of engineering, he is only bother wif the project meet the schedule deadline.
  
  office politic is inevitable, we should not learn those wrong way such as backstab in order to climb up high place. but we need to be aware how to maintain goodwill wif colleagues.
  
  were u in poly before? i can tell u next time u go for job interview, it will be an advantage if you performed well in ur IA n FYP.