Second Korean Killed in Afganistan
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knn .... negotiate what ?
everytime they kill one hostage , kill one of their mates in the cell ....
One-For-One , An-eye-For-An-Eye .
Tao Gao Yi Chi , Mo Gao Yi Zhang .
See they got 23 mates to kill or not , knn Taliban fellas ! -
The hostages must be brave , since they are willing to risk their lives to go there and do missionary work , they must be ready for the consequences .
Die with Pride , Chengu !!! -
The Korean gov should learn from the Israelis when the Palestinian group kidnapped one of their soldier (Israel threatens Gaza invasion if kidnapped soldier is not freed). No use negotiating with the terrorists.
As the hostage crisis goes on, the wide media coverage will turn to the terrorists favor when the public start to sympathize with the victims and begin pressuring their leaders to give in to the kidnappers. So I think the US or Korean gov should start military operation against the Taliban as soon as possible.
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Exactly. Negotiating with terrorists is a sign of weakness. If terrorists are compassionate, they won't kidnap people in the first place. Terrorists are desperados, willing to die for Allah and Anthing. The Israelis has a policy of not negotiating, treating every threat as a war. Its enemies know this fully well, so nobody plays prays with the Israelis! Perhaps, the foolhardy, and they are plenty of such people around.Originally posted by royston_ang:The Korean gov should learn from the Israelis when the Palestinian group kidnapped one of their soldier. No use negotiating with the terrorists.
As the hostage crisis goes on, the wide media coverage will turn to the terrorists favor when the public start to sympathize with the victims and begin pressuring their leaders to give in to the kidnappers. So I think the US or Korean gov should start military operation against the Taliban as soon as possible. -
true, they too naive to go there in the first place.Originally posted by Poolman:The hostages must be brave , since they are willing to risk their lives to go there and do missionary work , they must be ready for the consequences .
Die with Pride , Chengu !!! -
are we any difference from them if we do this?Originally posted by Poolman:knn .... negotiate what ?
everytime they kill one hostage , kill one of their mates in the cell ....
One-For-One , An-eye-For-An-Eye .
Tao Gao Yi Chi , Mo Gao Yi Zhang .
See they got 23 mates to kill or not , knn Taliban fellas ! -
Disagree. Kidnapping has nothing to do with compassion. In fact, kidnappers can be compassionate to the hostages. Heard of the Stockholm syndrome?Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Exactly. Negotiating with terrorists is a sign of weakness. If terrorists are compassionate, they won't kidnap people in the first place.
However if you say "if terrorists are compassionate, they won't ram the Twin Towers" - this I agree with you.
I said before, the business of kidnapping is a win-win situation for both parties. That is, if everyone plays by the rules.
If you launch military operation just because your guys are kidnapped, then there will be collateral damages. Agree? -
Originally posted by Icemoon:Disagree. Kidnapping has nothing to do with compassion. In fact, kidnappers can be compassionate to the hostages. Heard of the Stockholm syndrome? However if you say "if terrorists are compassionate, they won't ram the Twin Towers" - this I agree with you.
I said before, the business of kidnapping is a win-win situation for both parties. That is, if everyone plays by the rules.
If you launch military operation just because your guys are kidnapped, then there will be collateral damages. Agree?
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They could have gone there knowing they might never come back alive .. but this doesn't concern us.Originally posted by Poolman:The hostages must be brave , since they are willing to risk their lives to go there and do missionary work , they must be ready for the consequences .
Strictly speaking, your life is between you and God. If you want to waste your life away or commit suicide, then you will be held accountable when you meet your Creator.
What concern us is whether their family members are prepared for their non-return, especially if they know the group did not take full precaution in the lion's den.
The point here is that your life is also between you and your parents. If they are not Christians, or worse antagonistic to the faith, they will not understand the reason of you going there. I caught a glimpse of the footage showing the father of one of the dead when the coffin was flown back. I do not think the father is prepared for the death of his child. -
simple logic.Originally posted by casvel:?? Wtf logic is that?
if everyone plays by the rules, we will have 23+23 people alive. Win-win situation.
if you launch military operation, you might have 23 korean corpses, dead talibans and probably dead commandos as well. -
In the news contributed by LazerLordz,
The families of the remaining hostages have voiced strong opposition to the use of force out of fears it would lead to mass deaths.
which sort of validates my point above.
http://paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?185791 -
Wow, if things were so simple...Originally posted by Icemoon:simple logic.
if everyone plays by the rules, we will have 23+23 people alive. Win-win situation.
if you launch military operation, you might have 23 korean corpses, dead talibans and probably dead commandos as well. -
I think you are threading on very dangerous line (business of kidnapping) and I can sense your sympathy for the Talibans. In fact, you are suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome.Originally posted by Icemoon:Disagree. Kidnapping has nothing to do with compassion. In fact, kidnappers can be compassionate to the hostages. Heard of the Stockholm syndrome? However if you say "if terrorists are compassionate, they won't ram the Twin Towers" - this I agree with you.
I am refering to the terrorist act of kidnapping, not other forms of kidnapping. Actually you are mistaken: the Stockholm Syndrome refers to kidnappers sympathising with the cause of the kidnappers, not the kidnappers being compassionate to the victims.
I said before, the business of kidnapping is a win-win situation for both parties. That is, if everyone plays by the rules.
I disagree with your dangerous and mindless idea: the 'business of kidnapping is a win-win situation for both parties'. Going by your reasoning, the business of kidnapping should be promoted by every business development manager and for very negotiation between parties.
If you launch military operation just because your guys are kidnapped, then there will be collateral damages. Agree?
It is inevitable. The terrorists who crashed the planes into the TT in NY had cause even much more collateral damages. -
You will not have 23 people alive, but you may have hundreds more dead or kidnapped in the future.Originally posted by Icemoon:simple logic.
if everyone plays by the rules, we will have 23+23 people alive. Win-win situation.
if you launch military operation, you might have 23 korean corpses, dead talibans and probably dead commandos as well.
Costs do not stay constant. -
OMG... what if someone kidnapped you and asked for $1mil ranson?Originally posted by Icemoon:simple logic.
if everyone plays by the rules, we will have 23+23 people alive. Win-win situation.
if you launch military operation, you might have 23 korean corpses, dead talibans and probably dead commandos as well.
It is win-win for your loved ones as you get to keep your life and the kidnappers becomes richer by $1mil and get to give their loved ones nice cushy teddy bears... -
So, I see, why the 'business of kidnapping' is being touted.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:OMG... what if someone kidnapped you and asked for $1mil ranson?
It is win-win for your loved ones as you get to keep your life and the kidnappers becomes richer by $1mil and get to give their loved ones nice cushy teddy bears... -
Just explaining it in simpler terms to Icemoon.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:So, I see, why the 'business of kidnapping' is being touted. -
Do the Talibans really think they are heros?
Threatening the lives of unarmed civilians and volunteers. Pui! -
if you are a billionaire and your child is kidnapped .. I challenge you to say "I will not negotiate with kidnappers".Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:OMG... what if someone kidnapped you and asked for $1mil ranson?
It is win-win for your loved ones as you get to keep your life and the kidnappers becomes richer by $1mil and get to give their loved ones nice cushy teddy bears... -
No-one can say what will happen in future.Originally posted by LazerLordz:You will not have 23 people alive, but you may have hundreds more dead or kidnapped in the future.
Costs do not stay constant.
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The Stockholm Syndrome should refer to the kidnapped sympathising with the kidnappers.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:I am refering to the terrorist act of kidnapping, not other forms of kidnapping. Actually you are mistaken: the Stockholm Syndrome refers to kidnappers sympathising with the cause of the kidnappers, not the kidnappers being compassionate to the victims.I disagree with your dangerous and mindless idea: the 'business of kidnapping is a win-win situation for both parties'. Going by your reasoning, the business of kidnapping should be promoted by every business development manager and for very negotiation between parties.
Kidnapping is cheating, but then the chinese have this saying - bing bu yan zha. If you are a terrorist, you can't win playing the rules of big government. You need to force them to play by your rules. Only then can you have chance of winning.It is inevitable. The terrorists who crashed the planes into the TT in NY had cause even much more collateral damages.
Isn't this my argument? Would you rather they bomb the streets or crash the planes? Or using the more 'peaceful' means of kidnapping? -
If they happened to kidnap American soldiers, does it make them less "sinful"?Originally posted by Honeybunz:Do the Talibans really think they are heros?
Threatening the lives of unarmed civilians and volunteers. Pui!
Perhaps it is not about kidnapping per se, but the people you kidnap? -
I have a little untold news for you guys..
You know why the first Korean was killed and why 8 of the promised hostages wasn't released. Well, according to Asia Times, when the exchange were about to be done. An armour convoy was seen ruching to the scene, and the Taliban took flight and shot that korean in the spot. Sounds different from the news we are hearing here.. heh.
As for the kidnapping of the hostages, in the first place it was wrong. But the Koreans had it coming to them and blames no one by themselves. Doing social work in their country is one thing, covertly spreading christian missionary thru them is another... especially in Taliban controlled area ? That's asking for it. If they are White and european, my bet is that there will be some compromise.. but as a yellow or coloured race.. hard luck. Sounds racist, but it's the truth.
The south Korean govt is seen as weak (they are seen as US puppies), Afghan (US puppet) and The US does not care... unlike the Italian case.
If I were the South Korean, I would try China. It's big, it's a regional power house, its next door - Xinjiang and Afghan have been trading for Centuries, they have a history with the Taliban (during the Soviet war) supplying them weapons(with US blessing).... Taliban isn't a friend of China, but neither are they enemies. Further, Pakistan and China are life-long pals. Most important, China is relative neutral. But why would China put a limb out for SK, and SK would offend US for doing so. -
Silly people - going to afghanistan as Christians?
Soldiers go there because they are sent there as part of their jobs. What are they doing there?
If they make it back alive, I feel they need a huge bollocking for putting their nation in such a difficult position.
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Bro, I seriously could understand your viewpoint..but sad to say..I couldn't agree anything with you. First and foremost...kidnapping is already a sin..It dosen't matter whether they are commoners, tourist, soldiers or missionaries.Originally posted by MobyDog:I have a little untold news for you guys..
You know why the first Korean was killed and why 8 of the promised hostages wasn't released. Well, according to Asia Times, when the exchange were about to be done. An armour convoy was seen ruching to the scene, and the Taliban took flight and shot that korean in the spot. Sounds different from the news we are hearing here.. heh.
As for the kidnapping of the hostages, in the first place it was wrong. But the Koreans had it coming to them and blames no one by themselves. Doing social work in their country is one thing, covertly spreading christian missionary thru them is another... especially in Taliban controlled area ? That's asking for it. If they are White and european, my bet is that there will be some compromise.. but as a yellow or coloured race.. hard luck. Sounds racist, but it's the truth.
The south Korean govt is seen as weak (they are seen as US puppies), Afghan (US puppet) and The US does not care... unlike the Italian case.
If I were the South Korean, I would try China. It's big, it's a regional power house, its next door - Xinjiang and Afghan have been trading for Centuries, they have a history with the Taliban (during the Soviet war) supplying them weapons(with US blessing).... Taliban isn't a friend of China, but neither are they enemies. Further, Pakistan and China are life-long pals. Most important, China is relative neutral. But why would China put a limb out for SK, and SK would offend US for doing so.
Secondly..killing is killing..It just couldn't be condoned..What abt the beheading? I couldn't see any excuse for that...Why are people actually showing sympathy for terrorists...Its frightening to see people actually condoning what they have done..Be it bombings, kidnapping..whatsoever..
Doing it for whatever reason..they are terrorists...thats a fact..so still..I hope something works out..If not I would support an all out military action..
This matter just can't drag forever and it's only a mtter of time when more hostages get killed..And the thought of taliban militants freed as exchange for the hostages are just unthinkable..What would be the message to the terrorists...just scary to think...Lets pray for the hostages....