Cina People
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Sometimes you cant blame their incompetence in language. It's in their blood.
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me too. The thing is, majority of those who claim themselves to be "English speaking" and dont give a damn to Chinese, speak only Singlish or English with an unmistakably heavy Singlish accent. Honestly, I cant help feeling ashame of them - losers. btw, by majority, I mean >99%Originally posted by patdog112:if i dun knoe how to speak english i wun be ashame.. if i dun know chinese i will feel ashame....
i am intersted in chinese all the way... failing any other subject i wont feel a thing but anything less than 65 for chinese i will feel sad..
Unfortunately, I am dealing with these hopeless losers day in and day out who can hardly finish a sentence, both spoken and written, without making serious gramatical mistakes. Whenever there is a chance, they will proudly say that their Chinese is poor because they want to imply to others that their English is good. I dont think anyone needs to know English well enough to tell that they aint "qualified" to be "bananas" as their English is too inadequate to be "white inside". How can they be "white inside" while they inherantly have no culture of any kind they can truly call their own! Asian culture? Please dont give Asian culture a bad name!!! -
Let's zoom in to the two languages of English and Mandarin. I come from an English-speaking family. Both sides of my family speaks english. But i can speak mandarin pretty well too, although there is an English accent in my speech.
I see no disgrace in being a chinese who doesn't know how to speak mandarin. There are lots of whites in the States whose English isn't that good either. Some can't even spell as well as us.
Well, to me - Chinese is just a tool. You can't deny that English is - THE INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE. It is the MAIN gateway to communication. Chinese/mandarin will NEVER be an International Language. Even the Chinese are starting to make it compulsory to learn English, or at least a beneficial option.
The key to good communication is to allow yourself to be understood. I've got people speaking f*cked up English as though they come from China. F*ckin' terok. They got me f*ckin' fed up. Thus, when I see them struggling to impress me with their 'excellent' English, I switch to Mandarin and Singlish.
Imagine that situation when they're speaking to a foreigner - your usual Angmoh. If you're that Angmoh, would you like to have any business deals with them? [A chicken talking to a duck] Well, the same could be said for your Chinese counterpart.
The European countries, the States, etc ('the angmoh markets') and even India - how many really know how to communicate in Mandarin? I know that the Chinese market is there to be tapped, but the quality - be it labour, products and goods, services, etc ain't as established, renowned & 'value for money.' Like they say - 'you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.'
Why do English-speaking people stereotype Chinese-speaking people as low-class? Please take a look at your lovely Chinese Ah Bengs. Do you wanna unconsciously wear their cheena tags?
Oh, try flirting with an 'angmoh-pai' girl speaking in mandarin. She'll give you one tight slap and ask you to f*ck back to China.
One way to rid the barrier is to be effectively versatile in changing your way of speech according to situations. (ie. ability to code-switch, which is an advantage.)
Unfortunately, most Singaporeans can't. But fret not, Singapore loves cheenas, if you had noticed. Nobody cares if you're good in English.
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I pick a few comments here to comment:
1) chinese who can't speak chinese
2) people who act superior by speaking english only
3) languages in general
1) If you are born and bred in China - any dialect or language is still chinese, not necessarily mandarin! So, if I can speak dialects but not mandarin, am I not chinese? I had to correct this misconception when I was at a Speak Mandarin Campaign when a stupid professor made the comment that Chinese who cannot speak mandarin are not Chinese. I get his impression here too. So, to these people, you are the most stupidiest Chinese if you make or maintain this misconception.
2) There will always be INFERIOR complex people who have the need to prove their EGO by speaking another tongue - thinking that they are the 'educated' ones as compared to their chinese-speaking cousins. For a long time, people think that angmoh is superior. This myth is still in many minds, not only in SG but also in HK. These inferior complex people naturally look down on chinese-speaking folks. My suggestion is to ignore such pariahs, avoid speaking to them (as they have no brains), better to talk to your dogs or cats - at least they don't mind what language you use!
3) Languages - people on this Earth speak different languages or dialects. It is as natural as the colour of your hair or skin or facial feature. There is no such think as the superior race, the chosen people, god's children or whatever that renders one more superior than another. The need for superiority is really man's weakness and the cause of a lot of strives, wars, ethnic cleansing, racial riots, atrocities, blatant murders, senseless killings.
MY language is THE language. MY race is THE race. MY god is THE god. MY one is THE one! THINK THINK THINK! -
hmm, it comes with the environment too. when everyone around you speaks broken english, you are bound to pick up bad habits that is thrown around.Originally posted by passerbyJIA:me too. The thing is, majority of those who claim themselves to be "English speaking" and dont give a damn to Chinese, speak only Singlish or English with an unmistakably heavy Singlish accent. Honestly, I cant help feeling ashame of them - losers. btw, by majority, I mean >99%
Unfortunately, I am dealing with these hopeless losers day in and day out who can hardly finish a sentence, both spoken and written, without making serious gramatical mistakes. Whenever there is a chance, they will proudly say that their Chinese is poor because they want to imply to others that their English is good. I dont think anyone needs to know English well enough to tell that they aint "qualified" to be "bananas" as their English is too inadequate to be "white inside". How can they be "white inside" while they inherantly have no culture of any kind they can truly call their own! Asian culture? Please dont give Asian culture a bad name!!!
likewise, some of my friends who studied in UK, their english improved a great deal, and came with an accent too haha.
so in the end, its not really our fault -
What we are saying here is those Singaporeans who think that they are English speaking would stereotype Chinese speaking people as low class. Those who are truly English speaking typically are more tolerant.Originally posted by trendz:Why do English-speaking people stereotype Chinese-speaking people as low-class? Please take a look at your lovely Chinese Ah Bengs. Do you wanna unconsciously wear their cheena tags?
Do I wanna unconsciously wear their cheena tags? No! I want to CONSCIOUSLY be one of them
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Good point. Environment and people can affect the way you carry your behaviour and your language. So unconciously, you will be 'influenced' in a way that you speak like your friends. e.g. your friends are mostly english-speaking ppl so you follow them and speak like english more often in your daily conversations.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:hmm, it comes with the environment too. when everyone around you speaks broken english, you are bound to pick up bad habits that is thrown around.
likewise, some of my friends who studied in UK, their english improved a great deal, and came with an accent too haha.
so in the end, its not really our fault -
same views as u, just that if i dun have A grade in Chinese i would be depressed liao siaoOriginally posted by patdog112:if i dun knoe how to speak english i wun be ashame.. if i dun know chinese i will feel ashame....
i am intersted in chinese all the way... failing any other subject i wont feel a thing but anything less than 65 for chinese i will feel sad..
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beng beng! mai an ni kuan leh.Originally posted by passerbyJIA:What we are saying here is those Singaporeans who think that they are English speaking would stereotype Chinese speaking people as low class. Those who are truly English speaking typically are more tolerant.
Do I wanna unconsciously wear their cheena tags? No! I want to CONSCIOUSLY be one of them -
hahaha, I thought of this long time back, just never get around to post my thoughts, nice one. And may I add, some people got degree damn how lian lor, they look down on others lor, I am quite du lan lor, coz last time I don't study one, so when people give that kind of "i got degree you dun have" kind of attitude, i feel very du lan.Originally posted by Spartans:I noticed some Chinese youngsters nowadays take pride in not knowing how to speak Mandarin. Why is this so? And they feel pride and elite about it, ie only know how to speak English.
They think those who speak Mandarin more often are Cina people, lower class than them. WTH?
If you are a Chinese and you dun know how to speak your mother tongue language, that is a very sad thing. The least you can do is to start to learn, step by step. And not mocking around. "oh gosh, I dun know Mandarin at all. Gee... I only speak English. Speaking Mandarin so Cina."
zzzzz. cannot really understand their mindsets. There tend to be more "banana man" in Arts Faculty. Just my observation. -
of course, man! i give only the best pointsOriginally posted by pokkagreentea:Good point. Environment and people can affect the way you carry your behaviour and your language. So unconciously, you will be 'influenced' in a way that you speak like your friends. e.g. your friends are mostly english-speaking ppl so you follow them and speak like english more often in your daily conversations. 
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Bananas~
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lol omgOriginally posted by euc:my indian friend can sing beyond songs...in cantonese
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i thought cina ppl are those with a certain type of behaviour/character, (u can tell by the way the behave, dress and speak) and they tend to speak chinese more, not people who speak chinese. u can speak chinese and not be cina.
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This depends on how u define 'cheena/cina". In the past, I thought cheena refers to the language slang and behavior of Chinamen. Only later did I notice that cheena refers to people who are more Mandarin/Chinese orientated, ie speak Mandarin, listen to Mandarin songs etc. This is the general view I got from around my campus.Originally posted by The Libertines:i thought cina ppl are those with a certain type of behaviour/character, (u can tell by the way the behave, dress and speak) and they tend to speak chinese more, not people who speak chinese. u can speak chinese and not be cina. -
I know of such a person.Originally posted by thoreldan:u call them banana for a reason
white on the inside, yellow on the outside..
have you heard of a japanese who couldnt speak japanese? -
When did Chinese Ah Bengs come into the picture? I thought we are talking about ordinary Singapore youngsters, some as young as primary school kids.Originally posted by trendz:Why do English-speaking people stereotype Chinese-speaking people as low-class? Please take a look at your lovely Chinese Ah Bengs. Do you wanna unconsciously wear their cheena tags? -
nowadays more non-chinese can speak chinese liao lor..if chinese duno how to speak chinese...really sibeh xia suey..
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read the sentence again LAH!Originally posted by Spartans:When did Chinese Ah Bengs come into the picture? I thought we are talking about ordinary Singapore youngsters, some as young as primary school kids. If you do not understand then it's alright. -
My class last time full of this people. Chinese duno how on earth they get only a single digit. It really shows their intelligence cause frankly, the chinese paper standard in singapore is already considered very low, it IS possible to pass it even if you do not study. Dont say chinese, even the english also kns. Both language also cannot make it. Jia lat.
Everytime they try to use cheem cheem eng talk, i will always reply them in chi, they only know how to show me a blur look say what i talking, why i so chinese...
But in the end, other people in the world would have the last laugh at them. -
yea..haha a disporportionally large amount of people here uses english in conversations for some reason..Originally posted by Spartans: I heard from my SMU friends that quite a large percentage of SMU students couldnt speak Mandarin. But their English are excellent.
But you can communicate with them in English rite. Nothing wrong in using English if the need arises.
I think its ok u should put english as your main language but at least your chinese reading and writing should be passable. Denying your own roots is not the problem here. Although u are chinese, you are no longer in china and yellow skin does not mean u must know everything chinese. Decendents of the english who colonise the world do not know english history as well. (e.g australians)
The problem here lies with the unwillingness to learn a new language. This means that you are denying yourself to communicate with other people (main chinese duh) in the world. I have frens from china currently studying here who can both read and write in english and chinese fluently. In the future, we would lose out to these ppl as they have an extra edge on us as they know chinese. It even worse with the chinese market opening up, it can trasnlate to millions of dollars lost juz because you fail to learn a language.
Since you have the opportunity, you shld learn it, at least for the economic value. -
My mother tongue is Mandarin.My Chinese is better than my English as I speak Mandarin more often.For your own good, you should know both languages.
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agree x 2!Originally posted by motoway:i tok bout those who reali ARE acting Gantang. Those who are brought up from an Eng family ok lar.. Those who speak english for the sake of acting high class.. i cannot stand..
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Its not a nowadays trend. it has been like that for some time liaoz. and the worst of the kind are those having fake accents when they've been spending all their lives in Singapore.
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as a matter of fact, it's not about the accent. Let's just say when such people speak clear and concise English, you would have the notion that they're bragging or showing off. So you deemed the angmoh's English is way better than Asians and if that particular Asian fella is able to speak pretty well, your brain would be tuned to detecting that 'invisible accent.'Originally posted by Plastic Bag:Its not a nowadays trend. it has been like that for some time liaoz. and the worst of the kind are those having fake accents when they've been spending all their lives in Singapore.
And I won't deny when you speak impeccable English, there's bound to be some 'differences' in the pronunciation which is inevitable. That's cause you simply can't speak well, and you think it's so cool to speak in disastrous English.
Thus, if you can't even get your pronunciation right, and/or insist on speaking Singlish and/or Chinglish for your entire life, good for you then. Have fun.