Are singapore pastors millionaires?
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with a knife that is known as ROBBERY... is robbery the only method people for taking people's money?Originally posted by 4794:about the rise and build program,if u can donate than u donate
Did they surround you with a knife and asked you to donate?
Or did they threaten you to donate?
I am an ex chc member so i know what is going on
They don force people to donate
If you tell people that the "magic stones" have "healing powers" how different is that from telling people that if they give to the church they will be "richly rewarded" ? Just because the setting is different, does not mean that the logic is different. -
I remember how some believers are so into in that they feel that non- believers will go to hell straightaway and not be saved if they don't embrace the church group...
Many are very sentimental aroused by their leader waving the hands as though something miraculous like holy spirit has passed them by which is all imagination..
After the show and talk is over, they passed a bag around the hall for donations and there you go a thriving social enterprise in the name of g-d
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Oh, I heard from some of my christian friends, that they refuse to read The Da Vinci Code, they say its a book that turn people away from God. But once again, I dunno its whether their church told them not to, or they read abt it from somewhere.
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well, money spent on missionary activities doesn't sound like helping people to them.Originally posted by 4794:They are just targeting about chc
If u read about my earlier post,i have said that the money is use to send ppl to other countries to spread the word of god and they still ask where the money go to...
Its not even their money and they make such a fuss over it 
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I'm not so sure about that. From what I know, there are Christians who distance themselves from CHC and do not agree with it's teachings and sorts. There's also a post in this thread which reflect this claim, which I shall quote for easy reference.Originally posted by 4794:CHC is also christians,other church member also christians
I see no difference
And your logic is not flawless. For example, just because a dog and a table have 4 legs, it doesn't mean they are the same thing. Or perhaps, people should refer to members of CHC or even just mega churches instead of using Christians all the time to avoid any misunderstandings.Originally posted by unclebutcher:chc is a very stigmatised church amongst conservative christians like myself. we shy away from it. the only thing i know abt these kinds of churches is that they say if you believe in Jesus, you will have a prosperous life, full of blessings etc etc...
And, indeed, there's no denying that CHC is doing it's part in contributing to the society and fulfill God's aim. However, having a charity and community service arm doesn't prove that all the donations are used on the society, or that none gets leaked. I believe people are concerned of the money that is not used, not the money that is used. A lot of money is being donated by it's members, but there doesn't seem to be as much being repaid. Little auditing is being done, so people, even members themselves, do not know exactly how much does the church receive as donations. The opaqueness of the churches' funds doesn't allow any useful understanding of their uses.
Having ultra luxurious building and facilities is not necessarily bad as these are used by the people who contributed and, therefore, deserved them. However, it raises the question as to whether the money could have been better used by helping the needy instead, which is ultimately the aim of God. Using the donations on themselves may lead others to think that the members are more selfish than generous, as the members' needs are being met first. Why consider a new building when the one in Jurong is doing very fine and is, in fact, doing better than the facilities of some other churches.
Don't flame me for attacking Christians or any particular group. I've been very careful to use qualifying terms to ensure that my claims are not absolute and that they can be refuted. It'd be helpful if the parties mentioned provide substantiated answers to eliminate any misunderstandings that people, like myself, have over mega churches. -
Simply to say that all pastors are self serving is not true too, I heard that there are those who stay in 3-room flat and live simplelife. Some even go to overseas third world countries as missionaries using their own savings...sadly they are but a few
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It is,u see,jesus once said that whoever believe in him shall not perish but have eternal lifeOriginally posted by Icemoon:well, money spent on missionary activities doesn't sound like helping people to them.
So by beliveing in christ u shall have eternal life
Isnt that helping? -
Yes,i wont deny the fact that chc quite different from other churches,some may find chc style of worship is different but we are serving one same god rite,are we?Originally posted by yxTay:And your logic is not flawless. For example, just because a dog and a table have 4 legs, it doesn't mean they are the same thing. Or perhaps, people should refer to members of CHC or even just mega churches instead of using Christians all the time to avoid any misunderstandings.
And, indeed, there's no denying that CHC is doing it's part in contributing to the society and fulfill God's aim. However, having a charity and community service arm doesn't prove that all the donations are used on the society, or that none gets leaked. I believe people are concerned of the money that is not used, not the money that is used. A lot of money is being donated by it's members, but there doesn't seem to be as much being repaid. Little auditing is being done, so people, even members themselves, do not know exactly how much does the church receive as donations. The opaqueness of the churches' funds doesn't allow any useful understanding of their uses.
Having ultra luxurious building and facilities is not necessarily bad as these are used by the people who contributed and, therefore, deserved them. However, it raises the question as to whether the money could have been better used by helping the needy instead, which is ultimately the aim of God. Using the donations on themselves may lead others to think that the members are more selfish than generous, as the members' needs are being met first. Why consider a new building when the one in Jurong is doing very fine and is, in fact, doing better than the facilities of some other churches.
Don't flame me for attacking Christians or any particular group. I've been very careful to use qualifying terms to ensure that my claims are not absolute and that they can be refuted. It'd be helpful if the parties mentioned provide substantiated answers to eliminate any misunderstandings that people, like myself, have over mega churches.
so it doesnt make a huge different
Let the others say what they wan...we will all know when dooms day is here -
To prevent misconception,Originally posted by Catknight:After the show and talk is over, they passed a bag around the hall for donations and there you go a thriving social enterprise in the name of g-d
that bag is not meant to collect tithes. It is an offering bag. The concept of tithing and offering is different. -
Most people put their tithes into the offering bag...Originally posted by Icemoon:To prevent misconception,
that bag is not meant to collect tithes. It is an offering bag. The concept of tithing and offering is different. -
Yes,they will have a envlope for u,if u are giving offering only u nid not write anythingOriginally posted by Icemoon:To prevent misconception,
that bag is not meant to collect tithes. It is an offering bag. The concept of tithing and offering is different.
But if u are giving tithe,u will have to write down ur cg,name,cg leader
Some ppl don know anything at all,thats the reason why chc tio flame until so badly just becoz its a mega churches,obivously they have not seen other mega churches in USA -
True true,they did pass a bag aroundOriginally posted by Catknight:I remember how some believers are so into in that they feel that non- believers will go to hell straightaway and not be saved if they don't embrace the church group...
Many are very sentimental aroused by their leader waving the hands as though something miraculous like holy spirit has passed them by which is all imagination..
After the show and talk is over, they passed a bag around the hall for donations and there you go a thriving social enterprise in the name of g-d
But like i what said earlier on,they did not force you to donate -
see the first post of this page....
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as a believer n donator, ask urself this question:
why r u pampering them? they r using ur money for their personal gain and spend like flushing WC.
u r helping them to sink further. do u think u can go to heaven? -
they are told that the more they give, the more they will receive.... and they believe!!!!!
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ok,about the highly reward thingy
This is christian belief
you are not a christian so u will not understand the rewards that god give -
You christian?Originally posted by 798:as a believer n donator, ask urself this question:
why r u pampering them? they r using ur money for their personal gain and spend like flushing WC.
u r helping them to sink further. do u think u can go to heaven? -
When you are irrational and delusional, you can believe anything...
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Not surprising if the church doesn't practise the more 'mandatory' kind of tithing. If you read 4794's reply, you have to write down your details if you meant it as a tithe. This is how 4794 understands tithing.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Most people put their tithes into the offering bag...
In churches today where offering is practised properly, they will pass the bag around telling you what it is for. It is up to you whether you want to support or not. For example, the offering can be for:
1. Missionary efforts, like one of your church mates is going for a Campus Crusade missionary trip.
2. Evangelical missions, like a gospel rally next week.
etc.
Offerings and tithings are different from the biblical perspective. Tithing is an Old Testament practice somehow perverted by Christians. Many Christians are unaware of how tithing is practised today in Judaism. Come on, Christians are the ones accusing Jews of following Old Testament laws rigidly, yet when it comes to tithing, they happily disregard what Jews have to say about tithing.
Offering, as practised in churches today, is a New Testament practice. In the New Testament context, the money collected goes into helping other churches:1Cor 16:
The Apostle Paul is also advocating some kind of social equality:
1Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem.2Cor 8:
8I am not commanding you, but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others. 9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.
10And here is my advice about what is best for you in this matter: Last year you were the first not only to give but also to have the desire to do so. 11Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means. 12For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have.
13Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality, 15as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little." -
Well, looks like you dont get the point.Originally posted by 4794:True true,they did pass a bag around
But like i what said earlier on,they did not force you to donate
If you realize, Christianity preys on guilt.
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You are a student of religion issit?Originally posted by Icemoon:
But I like the part where you said that they complain about Jews clinging on to the commandments while they are determined to cling on to tithing ... -
and illusionary rewards...Originally posted by Icemoon:Well, looks like you dont get the point.
If you realize, Christianity preys on guilt.
My 2 cents. -
sort of like... carrots and stick...
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reminds me of how you can make a donkey runs and pull the carriage along by dangling a carrot in front of it and hitting it with a stick...
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This is what chc request,if u don believe,go check it out yourselfOriginally posted by Icemoon:Not surprising if the church doesn't practise the more 'mandatory' kind of tithing. If you read 4794's reply, you have to write down your details if you meant it as a tithe. This is how 4794 understands tithing.