You have your belief and faith, that is you personal matter and I respect that. But there are others here who have different faith and belief or none at all. If you want others to respect you and your faith, please respect others first. The other forumers are keeping things light-hearted to avoid this thread turning ugly. This is chitchat, not the forum for people of your faith to discuss about your faith. Your thread title itself is already causing our dear FiFi (moderator) to feel uneasy and your statement above is enough to offend many here.Originally posted by Catknight:I don't know if any of you believe this to be the power of G-d or just lucky..however even great faith is needed to believe this tale of miracles
I don't see this as being funny or offensive, how come sporeans are so faithless to even consider the possibilty of a divine creator out there..sigh...
Sporeans are truly lost
you serious or not.. if Fatimah can do that, why save a few and not just stop the bomb from going off? If Fatimah can stop the bomb form going off and did not, what does that make her?Originally posted by jacqn:i think he seriously think that it is true. but to some, it seem incredible. to me, i think the world is so vast, never know what happen beyond my belief. i dont believe doesnt mean it doesnt exists. it may be true, and i believe, but i does not mean i will follow the faith.
let's not make this too serious...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:you serious or not.. if Fatimah can do that, why save a few and not just stop the bomb from going off? If Fatimah can stop the bomb form going off and did not, what does that make her?
DID GOD KNOW ABOUT THE BOMBING BEFORE HAND ?Originally posted by Catknight:Xmas is coming soon and I decide to share this tale of miracle that happen 6 decades ago in Japan:
During the atomic explosion at Hiroshima on August 6, 1945, a German Jesuit and seven of his colleagues were living only eight blocks from the blinding center of the nuclear flash, yet all escaped while flaming death screamed all around them. To this day, all eight occupants of that building are alive and well while others living some distance away continue to die of the radiation effects of that frightful holocaust. Over the years some two hundred scientists have examined these eight survivors, trying to discover what could have spared them from incineration or the lethal storm of radiation. Speaking on television in the United Sates, the German Jesuit, Father Hubert Shiffner, gave the startling answer. “In that house, we were living the message of Fatima.” He was, of course, referring to the apparition that occurred to three young shepherd children in Fatima, Portugal on July 13, 1917. His words seemed to underline Sister Lucia’s statement in 1977, “Our Lady will protect all her dear ones.”
Moral of the story. If miracle doesn't work on you, it doesn't mean it is false but just that you have no faith; if miracle do work on you, must be work of god (regardless of how you behave).Originally posted by googoomuck:Lourdes is a small town in France. It is a shrine for Christian pilgrims as well as a tourist attraction The spring water from the grotto is believed by many to possess healing properties.
The stories of GABRIEL GARGAM and JOHN TRAYNOR are two outstanding miracles that had happened at the shrine.
To ensure claims of cures were examined properly and to protect the town from fraudulent claims of miracles, the Lourdes Medical Bureau was established. Approximately 7000 people have sought to have their case confirmed as a "miracle," of which only 68 have been declared a scientifically inexplicable "miracle" by both the Bureau and the Catholic Church.
Others are considered cures that are unexplainable with medical science.
ItÂ’s important that one must have faith for the healing to take place.
An ex-colleague of mine went to France and stayed there for 2 years. She is one fat lady suffering from severe eczema. SheÂ’s also a Catholic. When she returned home after 2 years, her skin condition was not cured. In fact it got worse because of SingaporeÂ’s climate. She has no faith. I should know because sheÂ’s a good apple polisher in the office, not a behavior thatÂ’s expected from a Christian.![]()
We live in a multi-cultural, multi-religious country. Let me give you some tips on how to co-exist peacefully with people of different faiths...Originally posted by Catknight:I don't know if any of you believe this to be the power of G-d or just lucky..however even great faith is needed to believe this tale of miracles
I don't see this as being funny or offensive, how come sporeans are so faithless to even consider the possibilty of a divine creator out there..sigh...
Sporeans are truly lost
Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean you have to be a dickhead about it.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:hahahahah... good one....![]()
His equation is oversimplified.Originally posted by googoomuck:The universe is infinite. Is earth the only inhabitable planet? It's possible that there are other intelligent beings in outer space. It's not proven yet but it's arrogant to think that humans are the most intelligent. One of them in space must stand out as the most intelligent one. People give Him a name God. God is an intelligent being from outer space. It's that simple.
Paradise could be nothing more than another planet more beautiful than earth.
Even Einstein believed that there's a creator of the universe. He did not called him God. Anyone here think he's more brilliant than Einstein?
Mathematician Blaise Pascal's Wager:
* You live as though God exists.
o If God exists, you go to heaven: your gain is infinite.
o If God does not exist, you gain nothing & lose nothing.
* You live as though God does not exist.
o If God exists, you go to hell: your loss is infinite.
o If God does not exist, you gain nothing & lose nothing.
With these possibilities, and the principles of statistics, Pascal attempted to demonstrate that the only prudent course of action is to live as if God exists.
You don't have to seek proof. Just live like Pascal Lived as if He exists. There's nothing to lose, if that's what people are afraid of.![]()
The miracles of priests and buildings that came through the atomic bombing of Hiroshima unharmed – whether attributed to the Rosary, Fatima or Our Lady of Blessed Mendacity – are urban legends. They are the imaginings of people so eager to promote the cult of Marianism that they are willing to weave accounts of miraculous events out of whole cloth. Foolish indeed are they who pay heed to false teachers and false prophets.It's up to the readers which one do they want to believe in.
Yes what u say do sounds logical, but u havent added one impt factor, that's being forced to donate le, now donate until broke alre how? Gov bo chap, how about God?Originally posted by googoomuck:Mathematician Blaise Pascal's Wager:
* You live as though God exists.
o If God exists, you go to heaven: your gain is infinite.
o If God does not exist, you gain nothing & lose nothing.
* You live as though God does not exist.
o If God exists, you go to hell: your loss is infinite.
o If God does not exist, you gain nothing & lose nothing.
With these possibilities, and the principles of statistics, Pascal attempted to demonstrate that the only prudent course of action is to live as if God exists.
You don't have to seek proof. Just live like Pascal Lived as if He exists. There's nothing to lose, if that's what people are afraid of.![]()
You don't have to donate to go to heaven. All you need to do is believe and have faith.Originally posted by kerts:Yes what u say do sounds logical, but u havent added one impt factor, that's being forced to donate le, now donate until broke alre how? Gov bo chap, how about God?
Btw watever happened to Pascal now? Where's he?![]()
You either worship the right god and go to heaven, not worship any god and go to hell or worship the wrong god and go to hell. So if you look at it this way worshipping a god has a greater chance of getting you to heaven than not worshipping any god at all.Originally posted by deathbait:His equation is oversimplified.
He did not take into account the many possible states of worshipping the wrong god.
I believe the best break even point would be to believe in nothing. With imperfect information, there's no guarantee that you will worship the right gods. And worshipping wrong gods have a greater chance of landing you in hell than if you didn't worship anything at all.
But that's just mathematical. who knows.