Does prayers help in life?
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of course it does!
i tio first prize toto doing nothing except praying to god.
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Originally posted by digicharat:
of course it does!
i tio first prize toto doing nothing except praying to god.
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If prayers worked in life, why won't God heal amputees?
If prayers worked in life, why would you need to buy insurance any more?
If prayers worked in life, why should you wear seatbelts?
If prayers worked in life, why is there no world peace?
And the list goes on and on....
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Originally posted by Coevolver:
If prayers worked in life, why won't God heal amputees?
If prayers worked in life, why would you need to buy insurance any more?
If prayers worked in life, why should you wear seatbelts?
If prayers worked in life, why is there no world peace?
And the list goes on and on....
if prayers does not worked, why is there time to heal all our wounds?if prayers does not worked, why is there miracles?
if prayers does not worked, why is it that amputees do not give up and become successful in their own way?
the list can go on n on too
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Originally posted by rlsh07:
if prayers does not worked, why is there time to heal all our wounds?if prayers does not worked, why is there miracles?
if prayers does not worked, why is it that amputees do not give up and become successful in their own way?
the list can go on n on too
Ans(1) You wounds heal because of doctors and modern medical science. Only crackpots wld believe risk the lives of loved ones by taking them to see a so-called spirit healers or televangelist.
Ans(2) Only the gullible and credulous believe in "miracles". Most of the time, they are taken advantage of by cranks trying to sell them "magic healing stones".
Ans(3) Successful amputees become so because of their hard work and determination - and not because of the supernatural.
There are also more "average" amputees compared to "successful" ones.
Only modern prosthetic science can enable amputees to walk again....not prayers.
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Originally posted by Catknight:
As the saying goes you can choose your friends but not your family, how many are born in a happy supportive family environment
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Originally posted by FireIce:
yah... then i ownself went to cook miso noodles...
Then i thank myself for putting food on the table
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Originally posted by Coevolver:
Ans(1) You wounds heal because of doctors and modern medical science. Only crackpots wld believe risk the lives of loved ones by taking them to see a so-called spirit healers or televangelist.
Ans(2) Only the gullible and credulous believe in "miracles". Most of the time, they are taken advantage of by cranks trying to sell them "magic healing stones".
Ans(3) Successful amputees become so because of their hard work and determination - and not because of the supernatural.
There are also more "average" amputees compared to "successful" ones.
Only modern prosthetic science can enable amputees to walk again....not prayers.
i'm saying abt those wounds of the heart not the physical wounds.
i'm talking abt the miracles of people waking up from comas, miracles of people able to given birth after so much difficulty
amputees do not have to walk to be successful. it depends on the definition of sucess define by a lot of ppl.
They become successful because they have not given up hope. -
To me, just a thing to tell myself not to worry too much.
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If einstein think there's a intelligent creator out there in our universe, who are we to say there's not?
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Originally posted by Coevolver:
If prayers worked in life, why won't God heal amputees?
If prayers worked in life, why would you need to buy insurance any more?
If prayers worked in life, why should you wear seatbelts?
If prayers worked in life, why is there no world peace?
And the list goes on and on....
this is the problem with humans......
we expect to be spoon fed......
i recall a story fromt he quran i think whereby the archangel gabriel asked god why would he make a creature that would shed blood......and god told the angel that he knew nothing about humans that god do......
i think wot the "thing" that the angel didn't know is that becoz of our free will, we are really free to choose wot we do since they have never experienced it.......so as to say we are given power to our lives......
but the ultimate question of all is whether mankind would be the one to destroy itself? hmmmm......world wars after world wars we have many times over pledged not to hurt, kill etc....but the killing spree goes on.....
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o well humans will kill one another for money
it seems that come to this planet earth for a common goal
=$$$$
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i pray when there is perfect moon at night before i sleeep.............i dont know if it realy helps......hopefully it does
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
o well humans will kill one another for money
it seems that come to this planet earth for a common goal
=$$$$
are you telling me god bribed you $$ to build the ark and clean all the animal shit in it?
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if prayers does not worked, why is there time to heal all our wounds?
If they don't pray, u mean their wounds never recover ?
if prayers does not worked, why is there miracles?
Why non believers or believers of other religion have their own miracles ?
if prayers does not worked, why is it that amputees do not give up and become successful in their own way?
R u sure all amputees must pray in order to become successful ? Does not giving hope means u must pray ?
Prayer has nothing to do with these events.
i think wot the "thing" that the angel didn't know is that becoz of our free will, we are really free to choose wot we do since they have never experienced it.......so as to say we are given power to our lives......
Free will is not equal to committing evil. U can have free will in choosing wat to eat for lunch or wat movie u watch or wat friends to go out with or how to go about doing your job. Comitting evil is causing problems to other people and they r undesirable. If given a choice, I want god to give us free will but not commit evil and tat is logically possible. However god want us to be able to commit evil.
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Free will is not equal to committing evil. U can have free will in choosing wat to eat for lunch or wat movie u watch or wat friends to go out with or how to go about doing your job. Comitting evil is causing problems to other people and they r undesirable. If given a choice, I want god to give us free will but not commit evil and tat is logically possible. However god want us to be able to commit evil.
free will wthout the ability to commit evil is not free will......
becoz we are given the choice to do so but we do not do is why god prefers us over other beings and also the reason why he made the angels bow down to adam.....
its just like saying that a you wished a knife couldn't kill people and be used to chop vegies instead
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free will wthout the ability to commit evil is not free will......
Tat is the only freewill we really want
U want freewill without committing evil or freewill tat commit evil ?becoz we are given the choice to do so but we do not do is why god prefers us over other beings and also the reason why he made the angels bow down to adam.....
I don't see god liking tis effect himself since it decide adam have to die in the end
He create hell and sinning and etc when we r programmed by him to commit evil. He like us to commit evil or not ?its just like saying that a you wished a knife couldn't kill people and be used to chop vegies instead
Isn't tat wat we all want ?
Remember god is omnipotent. He can do tis
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Tat is the only freewill we really want
U want freewill without committing evil
or freewill tat commit evil ?I don't see god liking tis effect himself since it decide adam have to die in the end
He create hell and sinning and
etc when we r programmed by him to commit evil. He like
us to commit evil or not ?Isn't tat wat we all want ?
Remember god is omnipotent. He can do tis
the keyword here is power......
he sets mankind over all beings....we have the ability to think......we may be programmed to be able to commit evil.....but we are also programmed to choose, think and reason......thats wot sets us apart.....in the end he did forgive adam for commiting sin.....we're not robots.....we are given the power to choose.....
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goodness without evil is not goodness......thats why we can choose......
i get your point on having free will but without the ability to do evil.......
but it wouldn't be right......everything in this world has the ability to do bad things.....animals eat their young etc.....god gave us this world so that we may dwell and take care, and have power over most of it......hmmmm.....
gotta go now.....
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he sets mankind over all beings....we have the ability to think......we may be programmed to be able to commit evil.....but we are also programmed to choose, think and reason......thats wot sets us apart.....in the end he did forgive adam for commiting sin.....we're not robots.....we are given the power to choose.....
Then tis god is ridiculous.We r programmed by him to commit evil then we r punished because of his programming. If your left eye caused u to sin, gorge it out and throw it away. Since committing evil caused us to sin, then take it out from us and lead us to heaven directly.
If he forgive, then he will remove the punishment of death. We still die now.
goodness without evil is not goodness......thats why we can choose......
Sorry man... goodness is not dependent on evil as well. I help a granny cross the road. Tat is goodness, and without evil tat is still goodness. I help a friend call a cab, give begger some food, raise public awareness about hazard on the road, return wallet to police, research a medicine to help the world and they r good things without involving evil.
Without evil tat is still goodness. Goodness exists irregardless of evil.
but it wouldn't be right......everything in this world has the ability to do bad things.....animals eat their young etc.....god gave us this world so that we may dwell and take care, and have power over most of it......hmmmm.....
Why wouldn't it be right
Why give us the ability to do bad things unless god is evil himself ? We can still have a power over most things but just tat we do not have the power to commit evil. We can still save the environment, help species adapt, help fellow people make the world a better place, world peace and tis power does not come because evil exist. Evil actually make us powerless. -
Originally posted by Catknight:
If einstein think there's a intelligent creator out there in our universe, who are we to say there's not?
Einstein most certainly did not believe in a personal god, contray to what Catknight said. When Einstein used the word "god" in his conversation or writings, he used it as a metaphor to mean "nature" or the universe at large" and not the god(s) that religionists recognise. This is similar to me saying "Santa came early this year" when I get a big bonus fr my boss in June, but it certainly does not mean I believe in the existence of Santa Claus.
Einstein is either agnostic or atheistic. Einstein also felt that a belief in a personal God is a main source of conflicts in the Mankind's history:
The following are Einsteins's own words:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman---------------------------------------------------------------------
I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2-----------------------------------------------------------
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being.
- Albert Einstein, 1936, responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray; quoted in: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffmannhttp://atheism.about.com/od/einsteingodreligion/tp/Einstein-on-a-Personal-God.htm
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Then tis god is ridiculous.We r programmed by him to commit evil then we r punished because of his programming. If your left eye caused u to sin, gorge it out and throw it away. Since committing evil caused us to sin, then take it out from us and lead us to heaven directly.
If he forgive, then he will remove the punishment of death. We still die now.
Sorry man... goodness is not dependent on evil as well. I help a granny cross the road. Tat is goodness, and without evil tat is still goodness. I help a friend call a cab, give begger some food, raise public awareness about hazard on the road, return wallet to police, research a medicine to help the world and they r good things without involving evil.
Without evil tat is still goodness. Goodness exists irregardless of evil.
Why wouldn't it be right
Why give us the ability to do bad
things unless god is evil himself ? We can still have a power over
most things but just tat we do not have the power to commit evil.
We can still save the environment, help species adapt, help fellow
people make the world a better place, world peace and tis power
does not come because evil exist. Evil actually make us
powerless.well.....from my learning and in this case, if there is life after death, then wot is the problem with dying?
we maybe programmed to be able to do evil.....but we also are programmed to think and reason......
free will is the ability to do anything that in this world which is bound by its own laws.......
if men didn't have the ability to do evil, he won't know evil in the first place and if he didn't know evil, there won't be any lessons to learn.....this means that life would be senseless........thus doing all those things that you mention would have no impact on your morality.......giving, helping etc. would be no more than a senseless choice expect becoz they need it.....these are the properties of a robot......
This is just like animals.......if you wan the ability to not commit evil, then be an animal which have no moral code.......becoz they dun have this ability, it wouldn't be a sin to them for eating their young and fighting each other off to the death.......
the ability to do evil is very important coz it has put senses to our brains.....
if we dun have the ability to do evil, then we won't have the ability to think.......both co-exist......if not, even kicking a granny into a pit hole wouldn't be considered a sin.....and that would make us an animal
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Originally posted by Catknight:
Sometimes when you are all alone and helpless, abandoned by family and friends.... Can geniune prayers to heaven help?
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Originally posted by Coevolver:
I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2Well said.
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well.....from my learning and in this case, if there is life after death, then wot is the problem with dying?
Precisely. If there is life after death, and it is a better life, why don't u encourage mass suicide ?
we maybe programmed to be able to do evil.....but we also are programmed to think and reason......
U can think and reason without the need to be able to do evil
free will is the ability to do anything that in this world which is bound by its own laws.......
if men didn't have the ability to do evil, he won't know evil in the first place and if he didn't know evil, there won't be any lessons to learn.....this means that life would be senseless........thus doing all those things that you mention would have no impact on your morality.......giving, helping etc. would be no more than a senseless choice expect becoz they need it.....these are the properties of a robot......
Why does evil exist then can necessary lessons be learned ? U can still learn tat helping others give them happiness. U can still learn tat playing a piano is enjoyable. U can still learn science and apply it. In fact u can learn a lot of good things without evil. And it does not means helping other is senseless. U help other because they need help, not because u wanna go to heaven or something. U help a granny cross a road because u think it helps her. It is not senseless choice. It is meaningful even when there is no evil
With evil, wat do u learn ? U learn to be defensive to protect yourself. U learn to hurt others to prevent others from bullying u. U learn how to lie to prevent yourself being blamed. U learn how to cheat to earn money. All these r bad and necessary things to learn when evil is abound. But if evil is not around, these skills become redundant
This is just like animals.......if you wan the ability to not commit evil, then be an animal which have no moral code.......becoz they dun have this ability, it wouldn't be a sin to them for eating their young and fighting each other off to the death.......
the ability to do evil is very important coz it has put senses to our brains.....
if we dun have the ability to do evil, then we won't have the ability to think.......both co-exist......if not, even kicking a granny into a pit hole wouldn't be considered a sin.....and that would make us an animal
Why does evil means being able to use your brain ? R u trying to say evil people r smarter then ? Then Ghandhi and mother teresa r idiots while einstein is pure evil. They r mutually independent events. Without evil, people can still learn how to play music or learn a language. Without evil, people can still research and study. Without evil, people can still make decisions. Evil and thinking r mutually exclusive. Give me an example why evil have to do with thinking.
U r making a logically flawed argument. U r saying animals r stupid and does not display morals code and conclude tat without displaying evil u r as stupid as animals. It is the same as saying smelly toufu (food) taste good if they use very smelly and rotten toufu and conclude all dishes must use smelly and rotten toufu to taste good.