Watches
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Originally posted by tankee1981:
Point noted, maybe watches ain't my type of side line investments as generally will depreciate over time. Thanks
Good choice, tankee.
Still, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Watch collecting can be fun, even if you're not buying a stack of Rolexes, and anticipating how the market will appreciate is an interesting exercise in itself.
For example, I started getting interested in Tudor chronographs, and after doing some research over three months I saw that prices were rising for the 791XX series, which were distinctive for their "big block" cases. Getting ahead of the trend, I picked this one up for A$2550:
I've just seen the same model being sold in Germany for A$9998. I buy my watches to keep them, but it's still nice knowing that I've almost quadrupled my money in two years doing absolutely nothing.
Then again, the market's unpredictable. I could recommend that you pick up an M-series Rolex 16710 with the 3186 movement - they're an interim model and are likely to be rarer than the older versions with the 3185, and by that measure could be the next Rolex 168000 Sub, but who knows? Rolex might just keep making them and flood the market, making it as much of a lemon as the Green Sub. On the other end of the scale you have sleeper hits like the Milgauss and the Daytona, which were not Rolex's big sellers originally, but exploded in the collector's market years later. Part of the fun's working out what makes specific models valuable. For example, why would anybody pay $165,000 for this?
I'd love to say this was mine, but it belong to a fellow collector, and he got it at a bargain. Go figure.
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patek phillippe: perpectual calender or world time or nautilus with rubber strap
the world time is also available in a limited edition of 25 pieces which has SINGAPORE in red. made specially for the hour glass 25th anniversary.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Not by a long shot. TAGs have poor resale value.
Overall, you're right. Unless you're willing to do a lot of homework, almost to the extent that you become a vintage dealer, forget watches as investments.
Oooo thanks for the advice. I'll try not to buy any more Tag Heuers then. But they look nice though...
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Originally posted by Raubtier:
Oooo thanks for the advice. I'll try not to buy any more Tag Heuers then. But they look nice though...
No sweat - I've heard horror stories about TAG's service standards that would make you wallet shrivel into nothing. In a similar price bracket, I'd rather suggest Oris.
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Originally posted by lovegoddes:
patek phillippe: perpectual calender or world time or nautilus with rubber strap
Nautilus?! Are you kidding, or are you a genuine 70's fan? Even a Royal Oak's less dated.
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Gedanken, what do you generally think of rado? I am getting one in 2 days time, will be posting pics hopefully.
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i was eyeing Tag's Carerra Special Edition, i dont know what's the colour name, its kinda silver greyish
bratpig is the ambassador for it, and its automatic chonograph
wootz
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Nautilus?! Are you kidding, or are you a genuine 70's fan? Even a Royal Oak's less dated.
apparently its very much sought after now.so it the aquanaut.
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Originally posted by chrisbenoit:
Gedanken, what do you generally think of rado? I am getting one in 2 days time, will be posting pics hopefully.
Uhh, Rado. Well, uhh, umm. To be frank, the last innovation they had was the DiaStar back in the early 80's, and their designs have never moved past it. Not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but compared to, say, the Patek Calatrava, the JLC Reverso and dare I say even the Hamilton Ventura, the DiaStar variations look decidedly dated. To put it simply, some designs are timeless and some should never be repeated past their use-by date, and unfortunately Rado have not quite gotten out of the latter category.
What model were you afetr?
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Originally posted by lovegoddes:
apparently its very much sought after now.so it the aquanaut.
I'd put the Nautilus in the same category as Omega Constellation, AP Royal Oak and Rolex Oysterquartz. All these designs show their age, and while there might be some movement in the brand-new sales section, a review of their used value prices tells the tale. The resale price might be impressive at face value, but compare it to the original sale price in adjusted dollars next to other models from the same manufacturer, and you'll see how much they're really worth.
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Im not sure what model it is, I cant find it on the internet. I'll show you in 2 days time.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
i was eyeing Tag's Carerra Special Edition, i dont know what's the colour name, its kinda silver greyish
bratpig is the ambassador for it, and its automatic chonograph
wootz
Good luck servicing the little bastard. In five years' time you'll be paying someone to take it off your hands after the grief you get from LVMH.
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Originally posted by chrisbenoit:
Im not sure what model it is, I cant find it on the internet. I'll show you in 2 days time.
That'll be interesting. The one thing I'll give Rado is their willingness to use new materials like sapphire and ceramics.
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hmmm...I love watches too, but I buy for form factor (I like the big watches with plain, sterile designs)rather than brand(in any case I can't afford the high prices commanded by the major brands. Heck, even an Oris is too expensive for me).
I alternate mainly between these 2:
They resemble panerais but they are not.
both use a commonly used movement easily serviced by any half competent watchmaker
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Originally posted by laurence82:
i was eyeing Tag's Carerra Special Edition, i dont know what's the colour name, its kinda silver greyish
bratpig is the ambassador for it, and its automatic chonograph
wootz
Don't touch Tag. Really. Quite a few friends had bad experiences with them, the latest being the watch's crystal literally falling out in front of me lol. (it was some reversible model with analog face and digital face) -
Originally posted by av98m:
hmmm...I love watches too, but I buy for form factor (I like the big watches with plain, sterile designs)rather than brand(in any case I can't afford the high prices commanded by the major brands. Heck, even an Oris is too expensive for me).
I alternate mainly between these 2:
They resemble panerais but they are not.
both use a commonly used movement easily serviced by any half competent watchmaker
Very nice.
Under normal circumstances I dislike homage pieces (die, Invicta!) but given the history, if you wanted a real Panerai, you'd get a Rolex anyway.
While not a big fan of Panerais, the sandwich dial is a very nice piece of design, and that California dial's pretty good too. What's the lume like on them? -
Originally posted by Gedanken:
Very nice.
Under normal circumstances I dislike homage pieces (die, Invicta!) but given the history, if you wanted a real Panerai, you'd get a Rolex anyway.
While not a big fan of Panerais, the sandwich dial is a very nice piece of design, and that California dial's pretty good too. What's the lume like on them?
Hey, I loved my old invicta diver, that thing went through a lot of crap with me for years, including scuba dives down to 120 feet. took many beatings and kept on ticking.the lume is ok, not especially bright but very legible, probably more because of the dial design. the finishing and build quality are first rate.
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Originally posted by av98m:
Hey, I loved my old invicta diver, that thing went through a lot of crap with me for years, including scuba dives down to 120 feet. took many beatings and kept on ticking.
Might just have to agree to disagree with you there, av. IMHO, that this is what an Invicta wants to be when it grows up:
All this talk about watches has gotten me thinking. My Sea Dweller's gotten way too much wrist time lately - I think I'll switch to the Hamilton Ventura tomorrow:
Nice shots of your watches, by the way.
A light box might help reduce reflections off the cryatal. -
Originally posted by Gedanken:
Might just have to agree to disagree with you there, av. IMHO, that this is what an Invicta wants to be when it grows up:
All this talk about watches has gotten me thinking. My Sea Dweller's gotten way too much wrist time lately - I think I'll switch to the Hamilton Ventura tomorrow:
Nice shots of your watches, by the way.
A light box might help reduce reflections off the cryatal.
No way I can afford the grown up versionI like the old hamiltons. I have an old US Army issued Hamilton (with the US government markings on the caseback, date of manufacture 1988) with manual winding movement. Paid only $100+ for it from sone guy in the States. I also have a WW2 era German Army issued Helios wristwatch (DH markings at the back). That one cost me $200. Like I said, I have a thing for nice clean sterile dials and simple design.
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Originally posted by av98m:
I like the old hamiltons. I have an old US Army issued Hamilton (with the US government markings on the caseback, date of manufacture 1988) with manual winding movement. Paid only $100+ for it from sone guy in the States. I also have a WW2 era German Army issued Helios wristwatch (DH markings at the back). That one cost me $200. Like I said, I have a thing for nice clean sterile dials and simple design.
Heyyyy, VERY nice. Serious collecting doesn't require a phone-number budget, and you've just proven it. Got photos?
I've been keeping an eye out for old military pieces like the Sinn 156, or maybe even an old French Type 20 or 21. I'd love to get a military Sub but those are either way too pricey, modified civilian Subs or both.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Heyyyy, VERY nice. Serious collecting doesn't require a phone-number budget, and you've just proven it. Got photos?
I've been keeping an eye out for old military pieces like the Sinn 156, or maybe even an old French Type 20 or 21. I'd love to get a military Sub but those are either way too pricey, modified civilian Subs or both.
I'll post another day. I'm looking for a good strap for the Helios in the meantime.Forgot, I also have a WW2 British Army issue Cyma.
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Suh-weet! Looking forward to the photos!
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Suh-weet! Looking forward to the photos!
I was really tempted by the vintage Heuer(not TAG) bund chronographs but just couldn't make myself cough up the dough -
The military version of the Carrera? Now that's when that comapny knew when to make watches. If you're looking for that sort of thing, have a look at the Type 20, 21 or 222, made by various manufacturers.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
The military version of the Carrera? Now that's when that comapny knew when to make watches. If you're looking for that sort of thing, have a look at the Type 20, 21 or 222, made by various manufacturers.
Hmm...thanks for the heads up.I loved that old Heuer advertisment with the bunch of german soldiers synchronising their watches. Very cool.