Originally posted by automator:Sometimes I still get into contact with my ex ploy classmates, cousins etc and many of them say that they chose the wrong course in poly/university.
It is just a general meeting between old classamtes who drink coffee to catch up with each other. It is not a job interview where people give politically correct answers.
Why should they lie to you?
Ok den. Den it is all word of mouth. You can keep those things to urself.
I noe of many fwends who are very happy with their standing now~>...
Many are also univ grad and are happy commenting on how they would be more employable then others~...
Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:And again, what is the possibility of that?
More likely, you realise you have a cock for a boss and go somewhere else to look for a job in ur industry that suits you.
Are you really going to stick wif a boss u dun like becoz he doesn't ever give u a raise? Singapore is performance-based economy. I'm very sure employers give raises on performance. You seem quite out of touch with the industry.
Possibility is very high because of office politics.
Most bosses are not even in the office and they never see you doing your work. They get the feedback from your direct superiors and if your direct superiors don't like you than that is it.
This world is full of cock bosses.
Many people including me have experienced such a situation already
Originally posted by automator:Possibility is very high because of office politics.
Most bosses are not even in the office and they never see you doing your work. They get the feedback from your direct superiors and if your direct superiors don't like you than that is it.
This world is full of cock bosses.
Many people including me have experienced such a situation already
See?
You are forcing others to listen to ur points but not others.
Originally posted by automator:I have around 14 O level friends and 11 of them earns at least 1.7k after 3 years of working.
When I am working, I get to enjoy cpf contributions, medical benefits, 15 days annual leave, mc etc.
Do you get to enjoy these benefits as a student?
14 out of how many hundreds thousands in the nation?
We don't have CPF but we have medical benefits, insurance, free/paid workshops, career talks, internships etc etc which helps build up experience.
I have 4 months of holidays a year. What is 4 months compared to your 15 days?
Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:See?
You are forcing others to listen to ur points but not others.
Do all the people that you know actually gets increment based on their performance?
Say you and me.
I got more increment than you and the boss says that it is because I am more hardworking than you.
So how exactly do the boss justifies that I am more hardworking than you?
Is there some kind of formula to calculate?
Originally posted by dkcx:14 out of how many hundreds thousands in the nation?
We don't have CPF but we have medical benefits, insurance, free/paid workshops, career talks, internships etc etc which helps build up experience.
I have 4 months of holidays a year. What is 4 months compared to your 15 days?
Going by your calculation,
I don't work and study.
I get 12 months of holidays a year :)
Originally posted by automator:Do all the people that you know actually gets increment based on their performance?
Say you and me.
I got more increment than you and the boss says that it is because I am more hardworking than you.
So how exactly do the boss justifies that I am more hardworking than you?
Is there some kind of formula to calculate?
If the boss says that, den I would just quit and get another job where the boss would appreciate moi talent and look thru moi paperwork.
Ur basis of comparision is inherently flawed.
Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:If the boss says that, den I would just quit and get another job where the boss would appreciate moi talent and look thru moi paperwork.
Ur basis of comparision is inherently flawed.
So the next job that you goes to the same thing happen.
Your collegues get more increment than you because your boss thinks he/she is more hardworking than you.
How?
Resign again?
Next job like that also than you resign again?
What if the problem is not with the boss but with you instead? You are not very hardworking but think you are hardworking and think you are short changed in the company?
Originally posted by automator:So the next job that you goes to the same thing happen.
Your collegues get more increment than you because your boss thinks he/she is more hardworking than you.
How?
Resign again?
Next job like that also than you resign again?
Why can't you just accept the views of others?
Believe what you want to believe. I told you already not to impose your views on others. You just don't listen.
Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:Why can't you just accept the views of others?
Believe what you want to believe. I told you already not to impose your views on others. You just don't listen.
Than if your boss says you got lously performance why do you quit your job as you have mentioned?
Why can't you accept his views and work harder for the next increment?
Originally posted by automator:Than if your boss says you got lously performance why do you quit your job as you have mentioned?
Why can't you accept his views and work harder for the next increment?
It is very evident from ur posts that you do not respect the views of others.
Den i put it to u.
What if you as a O level grad works like a cow and the Degree holder colleague of urs slacks like nobody's business and yet the boss gives him a payraise on the fact that 1) he has a degree 2) he is presumably hardworking(though you think he is not)...
What are YOU going to do. Are you going to accept his views? Are you going to continue working wif the knowledge that you will NEVER get an increment for the rest of ur working career?
Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:It is very evident from ur posts that you do not respect the views of others.
Den i put it to u.
What if you as a O level grad works like a cow and the Degree holder colleague of urs slacks like nobody's business and yet the boss gives him a payraise on the fact that 1) he has a degree 2) he is presumably hardworking(though you think he is not)...
What are YOU going to do. Are you going to accept his views? Are you going to continue working wif the knowledge that you will NEVER get an increment for the rest of ur working career?
You are wrong.
I am asking you questions based on your views and you say that I do not respect your views.
To answer your questions.
I may talk to the boss and points out to him why I think I am more hardworking than the degree holder collegue.
I will also listen to the boss on why he thinks that the degree holder collegue is more hardworking than me.
If what the boss says makes sense, than I may just accept it and continue working in the company.
if what he says does not make sense than I may consider finding a new job
Originally posted by automator:You are wrong.
I am asking you questions based on your views and you say that I do not respect your views.
To answer your questions.
I may talk to the boss and points out to him why I think I am more hardworking than the degree holder collegue.
I will also listen to the boss on why he thinks that the degree holder collegue is more hardworking than me.
If what the boss says makes sense, than I may just accept it and continue working in the company.
if what he says does not make sense than I may consider finding a new job
"if what he says does not make sense than I may consider finding a new job"
Isn't this like common logic?!
even u got Permanent Head Damage, u might end up driving a taxi
Originally posted by seyKai:even u got Permanent Head Damage, u might end up driving a taxi
Ya that phd holder who drive taxi thread..
If he is smart enough, he will have make use of his popularity to write a book and sell it to make money..
Originally posted by automator:Going by your calculation,
I don't work and study.
I get 12 months of holidays a year :)
yeah but no income yet we do. As mention uni students can teach tuition, get holiday jobs, work in sch etc and earn abit of pocket money. Thats including the 4 months break which we can just teach tuition which is a few hrs a week getting plenty of rest yet still earn something and not be penniless like you if you were to not work at all.
Its not hard for students to make money these days and more and more are working part time etc during their studies.
education is still nevertheless important, it helps us to know things which we have not known of before.
it is in college where we are exposed to a myriad of subjects which we would not be able to access if we are outside school.
the main point of your argument, automator, is that you are arguing that it's pretty pointless to further our studies by bringing up the practical points, in this case, earning more money.
i can say that if we were to study on our own time and through our initiative( as you pointed out earlier ), we would be losing the skills and innovation which is driving our local companies forward, and Singapore would spiral downwards to no end,
our economy will subsequently lag behind our closest neighbours in terms of GDP growth, our National Budget will be nothing more like useless as there is no point in attracting MNC's which favour a highly educated workforce
Singapore is highly dependent on these foreign companies which help to pump blood into the economy, even the companys we are all working for depends on foreign money to survive, and they require the skills and know-how, where the more valuable ones can only be gained through higher learning.
Besides, i can see that you brought up this topic because most of what we learn from school cannot be applied to real life , yes / no?
it is true in some cases, however, the individuals in question have at least attained a higher learning and their academic endeavour is for the employer to judge.
Originally posted by automator:Ya that phd holder who drive taxi thread..
If he is smart enough, he will have make use of his popularity to write a book and sell it to make money..
OMFG LOL !!! SERIOUSLY YOUR WORDS REALLY SHOW ME HOW MUCH YOU HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE ADULT WORLD, IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU THINK ITS SO BLOODY EASY TO JUST MAKE BOOKS AND SELL THEN MAKE BIG MONEY ? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THOSE BIG BOOKSTORES ? HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY WORLD'S BEST SELLERS AND STUFF ? WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHOSE LAUNCH FAILS ? AND ALSO WOULD YOU SPEND MONEY TO READ UP ON A TAXI DRIVER WHO GET A PHD OR A PHD WHO BECOME A TAXI DRIVER ? SUCCESS STORY OR SIMPLY FAILURE ? NOW DONT GIVE ME BULLSHET LIKE WHAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE BIG MONEY FROM DRIVING TAXIS SO HE A PHD HOLDER DRIVES TAXI, OR ALL THOSE PASSION SHIT. IN REALITY PRACTICALISM IS WHAT MAKES THINGS GO FOR MOST PARTS. NEITHER HAVE I HEARD PEOPLE DRIVES TAXI FOR PASSION :))
Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:Yup. But if you can attain a higher level and upgrade ur skills, why not?
They don't have the time mah ;)
I'm pretty sure they know more than what their Stanford degree can teach them already :)
Originally posted by automator:Ok i missed your this 1st post because of the many replies in the thread.
Maybe you cna share with us how you make money from blue chips and equalities.
Because many degree holders do not know how to invest their money or give expensive tutions to boast their income.
Most degree holders just work their normal job and their only hopes of an increase in income is through annual increment or promotion
Blue chips? Play safe way is to invest in dividend stocks like SPH... Won't grow much, but won't collapse. 6~7% yield is easy in this economic climate because prices are depressed. I put it here cuz the money is supposed to be for my sch fees. But now with a sufficient base in defensive dividend stocks, I'm slowly moving towards trading and growth stocks... I use a lot of fibonacci analysis, which is a lot of mathematical calculations.
Expensive tuition? Some of my students were still telling me I charge too cheap... It's not expensive at all... How to earn is using this equation: time * money per hour * multiplication factor...
My time * tuition students payment * number of students per group (I teach grp tuition)
This type of thing, not necessary in tuition; there are many other ways in which you can do it... i.e. feng shui master, etc... It depends on your speciality...
Of course, I'm still holding a normal degree job like most other degree holders, to serve my bond, and to hope for an increase in income.
Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:no ill intent, just fyi. gates and zuckerberg were from harvard
thanks :)
I have seriously forgotten...
The moral of the story is that it's not because they can't qualify or do not have the chance for uni, but they chose not to go because life beckons in a better path at that point in time.
dumbass.. some people second upper degree already earn like 3500 per mnth... 1st class earn like 4k and above....
its very easy for a graduate to get promoted whereas an o lvl will only like reach the highest post of an executive or supervisor... nothing more...
Originally posted by automator:Do all the people that you know actually gets increment based on their performance?
Say you and me.
I got more increment than you and the boss says that it is because I am more hardworking than you.
So how exactly do the boss justifies that I am more hardworking than you?
Is there some kind of formula to calculate?
Do take note... There's usually a salary cap for O level or poly grads...
I'm not sure about how much raise you can get, nor do I know office politics as well as you... But I do know that for most degree holders in private companies, basic yearly increment can be about 300 bucks plus plus... Of course, in bad economies like now, pay freeze la...
In govt jobs, if you jump ranks very fast, then pay also increase very fast...
Then again, that's if you are an employee... Supposed you go be a housing agent... Every year you just need to sell 1 * 3.5 million bungalow or 2 * 2 million semi-Ds, and earn 3% commission, that's over 100k a year already....
education is a formality. to be successful in monetary, often, its not wat you know but who u know. having more knowledge is an advantage n not necessary the key.
its how u r being used and how u make use of that opportunity.
ya cannot compare. Working life of a degree holder cannot compare with life of an o level. As an O level u may have to slog ur life working 5.5 days per week to earn that precious 1200.
A degree holder may be the O level's boss, ordering him/her to do things and still earning twice as much as him/her.
Think about this.