Clash b/w Jc and Poly students on local uni admission..
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If you're good, you're in. If you suck, you're out.
Such a simple logic also, want to argue for fcuk?
Lemme just say this: ceteris paribus, I would far rather let in a talented poly student than to reserve a place for a mediocre JC student who messed up his A Levels. I don't see what the problem with admitting poly students is provided they meet the standards.
So long as you work hard and do well for your A Levels, then there should be no issue at all about entering uni. If you screw up your A Levels and lost your place to some poly dude who did better than you, then it's entirely your own fault. Simple, right?
And before anyone throws profanities or make any assumptions about me, let me just say that I was a JC fella whose father is a taxi driver, and whose mother is a housewife. So don't give me any bullsh*t about me being an elitist prick or anything like that, okay?
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what happen to attitude, hard work?
Can you quote me the source of the "trend"? I'm really interested to know.
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Originally posted by Moka:
what happen to attitude, hard work?
Can you quote me the source of the "trend"? I'm really interested to know.
Attitude and hard work are not applicable to the working world.
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Originally posted by multipleviews:
lol. maybe instead of wasting time here you can sign up as a private A level candidate. prey that u can get a place in the local uni tat ur peer agenda values so much.lol.
actually cant blame u all la.
students from elite jcs view local uni as dumping ground for their less capable peers and also for the students from non-elite jcs. ppl from non-elite (the middle ranking) jcs find it a breeze and a norm to enter local unis. while ppl from the lower ranking jcs will heave a sigh of relief as long as they can step into local uni.
but for poly students, they would behave as though as they have struck lottery if they were to make it into local uni. i am not talking about popular courses like medicine or dentistry, but maybe some courses meant for jc students with CCCC grades in a levels.. like some engineering courses or media design. lol.
Isn't it obvious which education system is better now?
You poly graduates kept talking abt ur technical and hands on work experience as an advantage to jc peeps. but anybody who have done management science during their undergraduates time (or at higher level) would have told u tat in any organisation.. the leader (jc kids) is the one with the necessary management skill... they are in charge of critical issues like manpower allocation (ensuring poly students are allocated to jobs that best match their specialties) and planning for the company's future. Who'll be the ppl doing the ground work? It's those with the technical skills.They will take instructions from the leaders and specialise in the area that the leaders assigned them. This is the primary reason why govt set up institutions like ITE (institute of TECHNICAL education) and polyTECHNIC. Observe tat majority of the secondary school leavers will head to these 2 institutions. The reason is clear. You need more ppl at the ground levels than at the management levels. The technical education provided at poly and ite is to gear the graduates for ground level work..
While for JC kids, they are commonly divided into 3 different levels. Top Jc students would most like be in the top management levels. like the ministers, perm secs and military chiefs we see. Middle ranking jc will be in the middle management levels like manager of a dept, supervisor etc. Of course, some from bottom jcs will be in the lowest management level or would join their poly/ite counterparts in doing the ground work.
It's a cruel fact in singapore tat everything is planned based on one's paper qualification. Of cours, not all is able to accept the fact. Some stubborn ass like Agenda would continue to insist on the merits of his diploma. LOL.
I don't really understand your point here...
For your information, around 70%-80% of A Level top scorers stay in local universities pursuing courses like business, engineering, medicine and law.
It's actually easier for a A level holder with mediocre grades (read= not perfect) to get into courses in UK/US as compared to local. The students that are studying overseas are actually mostly those that are able to afford it, or willing to sign a super long bond for a scholarship.
Please do some research before speaking...
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actually if you think about it, diploma holders deserve to go to universities more than A level cert holders. diploma holders have the necessary training and background to go further with a degree. while JC students study everything under the sun and then bring their physics, chem and bio scores into a business degree? what rubbish. what good is that? they should go for a diploma after an A level cert to get a foundation.
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Originally posted by threeseven:
while JC students study everything under the sun and then bring their physics, chem and bio scores into a business degree? what rubbish. what good is that? they should go for a diploma after an A level cert to get a foundation.
what a dumb idea. you poly kids already have a quota on uni placements and you're suggesting that JC kids should "go for a diploma"? I swear to god the top 5 JCs would take up ALL the uni slots and you wont even get the current 15% reserved.
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Originally posted by ditzy:
Attitude and hard work are not applicable to the working world.
It matters to the working world! Be it being employed by others or being self-employed, it matters!
Without them, I wouldn't have what I have now....
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Originally posted by threeseven:
actually if you think about it, diploma holders deserve to go to universities more than A level cert holders. diploma holders have the necessary training and background to go further with a degree. while JC students study everything under the sun and then bring their physics, chem and bio scores into a business degree? what rubbish. what good is that? they should go for a diploma after an A level cert to get a foundation.
Actually to be fair, both courses of action have their own merits.
I can't comment on poly... but for JC students (and in uni as well), it's not about what subjects you study that matters. On top of subject matter, one needs to learn to handle 'extreme' stress, manage time, meet seemingly impossible deadlines, take charge of projects, manage pple in CCAs and classes, while still staying optimistic and focussed on the ultimate goal (of A levels) throughout. I believe poly studies won't be much different. All these are lessons and skills in life that we should train ourselves in.
Education is a holistic approach; and we should all look at it from a holistic viewpoint... If society needs someone who can only study well and regurgitate from the textbook, then might as well get a dictionary or computer. If society needs someone who can do hands-on very well, they might as well import cheaper workers from neighbouring countries.
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Originally posted by Agenda:
Let's say you have a Poly student whose cGPA is 3.60 and a JC student who got DDD/B. Who would you choose? A student who has consistently scored As & B+ or a student who scored Ds in 1 go.
3.60 gpa is considered above average for a poly student. and it is definitely not comparable to a DDD/B jc student. very unfair comparison you have here.DDD/B will not get anyone into any uni. Do you really think that JC students have a "guranteed" place in local uni? hell no.
lets not be delusional. we all know that although poly students have to put in consistent effort throughout 3 years to get a gpa of above 3.5, we all know that the tests, (technical knowledge aside), are of a lower difficulty level than the JC test papers. Just compare a poly math paper alongside a JC math paper, and it will be obvious.
the theoretical depth of poly syllabus is also not as deep as the A level syllabus.
for most courses, entry requirements for local uni are higher than that of top uk uni such as imperial, oxbridge.
to quote a real-life example. my friend was offered a place in Cambridge (BSc. Chemistry) provided that he gets AAB for A levels. they only require 3 subjects for consideration, and does not even require straight As.
in the end he chose to study in singapore, because he is unable to secure a scholarship, and thus can't afford the cost of oversea degree. BTW, he is a straight A student, with AAA/B.
also, as we can all see from figures released by the 3 unis, the top popular courses all demand a minimum of straight As.
medicine and law aside, even for more "mainstream" courses like chemical engineering, pharmacy, the minimum grades are AAA/A.
and does agenda really think it is so easy to score straight As without consistent hardwork, despite the A levels being an one-off exam?
CCC/C is the bare minimum for uni, and will only qualify a student for the "dumping grounds" of any local uni.
the road to uni for jc grads is not as even as you think it is.
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To Mr LBT, if you think polytechnic people who cannot go for university, you might as well think that ITE people cannot go as well.. If you look down on these people as compared to jc people, you are absolutely wrong... I am from both ITE and polytechnic, i will prove you wrong in term of academic results.... Wait and see the result that you may be disappointed or even unexpected.. I say it, i mean it, i will do it... my 2 cents....
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Originally posted by QQ111:
To Mr LBT, if you think polytechnic people who cannot go for university, you might as well think that ITE people cannot go as well.. If you look down on these people as compared to jc people, you are absolutely wrong... I am from both ITE and polytechnic, i will prove you wrong in term of academic results.... Wait and see the result that you may be disappointed or even unexpected.. I say it, i mean it, i will do it... my 2 cents....
you signed up just to say this??
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This man is obviously contradicting himself.
And what on Earth was he thinking when he wrote this?
"To JC students, university is and has always been their final destination. To poly students, their end point, in Singapore at least, should be their diploma."
How can he say that! Everyone in the right mind will know that there are a lot of polytechnic students who wish to further study after getting their diploma. Doesn't mean that just because some people want to get a diploma only mean every polytechnic students have this kind of mindset too.
And he continued saying that people who really want to get a degree should go to JC. He himself mentioned earlier that polytechnic students recieve more hands-on training.
Just because people choose to recieve more hands-on....it might be because people prefer doing that more. How can he say that this category of students should have lesser opportunity for university education? Mad man.
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Originally posted by QQ111:
To Mr LBT, if you think polytechnic people who cannot go for university, you might as well think that ITE people cannot go as well.. If you look down on these people as compared to jc people, you are absolutely wrong... I am from both ITE and polytechnic, i will prove you wrong in term of academic results.... Wait and see the result that you may be disappointed or even unexpected.. I say it, i mean it, i will do it... my 2 cents....
First class honours while taking much more modular credits than the recommended amount, and with some awards to go along?
Congrats!
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Originally posted by eagle:
First class honours while taking much more modular credits than the recommended amount, and with some awards to go along?
Congrats!
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Originally posted by QQ111:
To Mr LBT, if you think polytechnic people who cannot go for university, you might as well think that ITE people cannot go as well.. If you look down on these people as compared to jc people, you are absolutely wrong... I am from both ITE and polytechnic, i will prove you wrong in term of academic results.... Wait and see the result that you may be disappointed or even unexpected.. I say it, i mean it, i will do it... my 2 cents....
creating a new nick and a new post merely out of your self-perceived feeling of necessity to counter against certain perceived forces, from a mere string of words, invariably and undoubtedly portrays the way that you would behave in the real world.
notably and uniquely to the last sentence of your stated clause..
calm down..this is a forum. everyone is here to learn and share
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In my opinion, JC students should be given priority over poly students since they were already differentiated from the rest during the O level exams as most people with a good L1R5 score would choose JC because it is a more guaranteed route to university, unless their aim is not entering university. JC students are taking a much bigger risk than poly students. If JC students fail to enter university, they do not have a diploma to fall back on. And yes, there should be meritocracy as most of you say. Most polytechnic students have not achieved an L1R5 deemed good enough to enter a JC, but everyone from JC can opt to enter a polytechnic.
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lol... this topic is still so active among students...
in my opinion...JC is a place where those doctors,lawyer, psychiatrist ect study because poly dosent really have the str8 course except psychology .
at the same time..if JC's wanted go go for banker or business after the A level thats really a moron and "Gong c'b " to complain that "the poly F**kers stole my place".use your brain and think..if you want to do that after your A's go for private if you dont get a place and dont complain..^^
CONCLUSION: dont WHINE if you choose to take up the courses that poly offers AND choose those course(doctors , lawyer ect.) that poly does' nt offers so that people dun snatch your place in uni^^
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Originally posted by threeseven:
actually if you think about it, diploma holders deserve to go to universities more than A level cert holders. diploma holders have the necessary training and background to go further with a degree. while JC students study everything under the sun and then bring their physics, chem and bio scores into a business degree? what rubbish. what good is that? they should go for a diploma after an A level cert to get a foundation.
don't most local diploma holders in Singapore have GCE 'O' level certs?What's GCE 'A' level?
This is the UK system..GCE 'A' levels to University degree...simple rule to follow.
Singapore's using British English, not American English.
Singapore was once a British colony
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Originally posted by nelo:
In my opinion, JC students should be given priority over poly students since they were already differentiated from the rest during the O level exams as most people with a good L1R5 score would choose JC because it is a more guaranteed route to university, unless their aim is not entering university. JC students are taking a much bigger risk than poly students. If JC students fail to enter university, they do not have a diploma to fall back on. And yes, there should be meritocracy as most of you say. Most polytechnic students have not achieved an L1R5 deemed good enough to enter a JC, but everyone from JC can opt to enter a polytechnic.
JC is not a more guranteed route to poly. it is the tried and tested route. don't choose JC just because more people from JC go to uni as compared to poly.
and honestly who does not want to enter uni if he/she plans to move up in their career.
JC students choose to take the risk because again it is the tried and tested route. statistics show that more people from JC go to uni as compared to poly. but is it a guranteed path? no. JC students merely believe that going to JC will provide a higher chance of going uni but who is to say that if they were to rest on their 'laurels'.
Again most polytechnic students. if we were to compare two 6 pointers for Os, one going poly and the other JC and only one person can enter the uni, can you rightfully say that the JC student should go if both were to achieve similar standings comparing GPA and A level results?
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yeah you can say so...but the others dont know that theres about 20% of the course seats are reserved for the poly students..if not why polytechnics in singapore have direct uni entry if your results is good?? the world don't go round th JC's . singapore is a fair and square country,if you are not in the %of the selected (JC and poly)too bad,theres always a private for you!! :D
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society has elites... only those from the top schools know just how scary some of them are.
hcjc and rjc has a very strong entry each year to the top universities in the world. the top talents would go overseas on the back of a scholarship, and come back and land a high flying job.
ppl with lower levels of ability will stay in average schools, and work at an average job.
if you have talents outside academic fields, well congrats youre a businessman.
life is more than a cert friends..
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Different case of learning style how to compare. Both got their own merits. I can't believe i read through the entire thing. lol. But the Poly bashers are quite an ass!
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MOE should just scrap JC altogether so that everyone is on equal footing...
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Originally posted by threeseven:
actually if you think about it, diploma holders deserve to go to universities more than A level cert holders. diploma holders have the necessary training and background to go further with a degree. while JC students study everything under the sun and then bring their physics, chem and bio scores into a business degree? what rubbish. what good is that? they should go for a diploma after an A level cert to get a foundation.
if so, the polys would be crammed full of top O level students
and where would you poly students end up?
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woahwoahwoah... ontop de..JC is the superior chui know??
dont say "where would you poly students end up?" thats a serious word ...JC is also crammed with O level students..dont tell me JC is crammed with A level students??if thats so,why would they study at JC??use your brain man.
People choses different route to walk,either long or short its your luck that bring you there w/o luck you think you'll pass PSLE??..there's 20% seats for poly students and 80%for JC and foreign talents.So don't complaint that you can't get into UNI ..cause its not the POLY'S student FAULT...
grow up man..dont complain so much..if you stand out in the JC's you will get in the UNI for sure..
P.S study harder
