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I said I don't know and I am unable to keep track of every single follower world wide. This is why I doubt your "sure" which translates into absolutely not even a single person converted to another religion due to Ven Jingkong asking them to believe in God and Allah.
My most curious part is, how did you get your "sure" and absolute statistic? -
rooney: it is clear that you are a christian from your comments on god and judgement. Buddhism is unlike the god religions in this world, past, present or in the future. Buddha has rejected the concept of god creator and soul.
My reply: I have always rejected the idea of God and soul, please look at my replies. On the contary, its the other party who is saying its ok for buddhist to accept the idea of God. I say no to God explicitly but i respect those who believe in their God. -
Originally posted by WeeShun:
I said I don't know and I am unable to keep track of every single follower world wide. This is why I doubt your "sure" which translates into absolutely not even a single person converted to another religion due to Ven Jingkong asking them to believe in God and Allah.
My most curious part is, how did you get your "sure" and absolute statistic?It is absolute until you provide testimonial from a recognised Jing Kung's followers to prove otherwise. It is now opinion against yours, none are proofs.
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contary to your assucation of mine agenda only to discredit ven jingkong. I have pasted the topics I have engaged in.
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weychin said: It is absolute until you provide testimonial from a recognised Jing Kung's followers to prove otherwise. It is now opinion against yours, none are proofs.
my reply: I refrain from speaking like a babarian or tyrant such as :I say its ABSOLUTE. I have always said I don't know and it was you who said you are SURE that NOBODY converted. Look through my postings, I never said I was SURE that people converted. I am only sure that his teachings does not reconcile with the Buddha's teachings.
You are the one giving me an absolute sure stastic and this is why I am asking how did you manage to keep track of every single follower worldwide of Ven Jing Kong?
If you can provide me with every single person worldwide young and old contacts, I vow to accomplish this "survey" till my very last breath but if you can't, then I am not sure how your "sure" and "absolute" is based on? -
Originally posted by WeeShun:
weychin said: It is absolute until you provide testimonial from a recognised Jing Kung's followers to prove otherwise. It is now opinion against yours, none are proofs.
my reply: I refrain from speaking like a babarian or tyrant such as :I say its ABSOLUTE. I have always said I don't know and it was you who said you are SURE that NOBODY converted. Look through my postings, I never said I was SURE that people converted. I am only sure that his teachings does not reconcile with the Buddha's teachings.
You are the one giving me an absolute sure stastic and this is why I am asking how did you manage to keep track of every single follower worldwide of Ven Jing Kong?
If you can provide me with every single person worldwide young and old contacts, I vow to accomplish this "survey" till my very last breath but if you can't, then I am not sure how your "sure" and "absolute" is based on?weychin said: It is absolute until you provide testimonial from a recognised Jing Kung's followers to prove otherwise. It is now my opinion against yours, none are proofs.
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Originally posted by WeeShun:
contary to your assucation of mine agenda only to discredit ven jingkong. I have pasted the topics I have engaged in.
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11:09AM by WeeShun viewYour postings are at the moment pages one to ten, even Yi Guan Tao thread is related to Jing Kung, non related posts numbered less than what I can count with my fingers, maybe just one hand.
Sorry,I checked again! Both hands! Hee! Hee!
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Originally posted by WeeShun:
My reply: As a Buddhist, we shouldn't even say others are wrong or false. Our responsibility is to bring the Dharma to them telling them the goodness of the dharma. Also, by respecting and accepting what the other party believes in and not mixing up with yr so and so God is the manifestation of my Buddha, by doing so, we bring discredit both to buddhism and the other party. We respect Jesus as him being jesus not as Guan Yin.
Buddhists should also not be hypocrites but saying something good on the surface and closing doors saying others is wrong and false. We only need to share with them the Buddha's teaching not to judge them.sw: on contrary, i rather when respecting their God is True (to them), u are more able to talk sense to them. i followed the teaching of MCK for so many years, listen to it almost daily, but it's did not deter me from "mixing" what X'tian believe as God and what we purelanders believe as Amitabha. as i also see some X'tian don't really understood their own God. but i know there's this group of "mystic" X'tian that is going closer to Buddhism idea. their meaning of Godhead is different from the "mainstream" X'tian. their Godhead meaning is also toward emptiness.
Buddha also learnt all the religions during his time in order to come up with Buddhism.
I have no idea if Christianity is a false religion or not but as a Buddhist, I am very sure that Buddhism is defintely the right and best choice.
Sinweiy, you should try not to be judgemental towards another religion as being false or wrong.sw: smile. nay, it's just for the sake of saying.
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weychin said: It is absolute until you provide testimonial from a recognised Jing Kung's followers to prove otherwise. It is now my opinion against yours, none are proofs.
My reply:
Weychin, you said from beginning that you are SURE and ABSOLUTE that NOBODY converted due to ven Jingkong asking them to worship God and Allah.
I said I don't know.
So what do i need to prove now when I said from very beginning that I don't know.
You said you know and its up to you to prove your claims.
I will only need to prove to you if I said "I am sure and absolute that many people converted due to Ven Jingkong" which I never said.
I will not say things which I don't know, it's baseless. -
sw: on contrary, i rather when respecting their God is True (to them), u are more able to talk sense to them. i followed the teaching of MCK for so many years, listen to it almost daily, but it's did not deter me from "mixing" what X'tian believe as God and what we purelanders believe as Amitabha. as i also see some X'tian don't really understood their own God. but i know there's this group of "mystic" X'tian that is going closer to Buddhism idea. their meaning of Godhead is different from the "mainstream" X'tian. their Godhead meaning is also toward emptiness.
Buddha also learnt all the religions during his time in order to come up with Buddhism
my reply: A healthy discussion should always be responsible for own speech, if you speak for the sake of saying, its irresponsible speech. We should speak with proper understanding and at least personal viewpoints substaniated by facts.
From beginning you have been saying that I do not advocate respect for other faiths and their teachings. I have to repeat, I respect them as they are. Also you should follow the teachings of the Buddha not Ven Jing Kong, Ven Jingkong can be your reference source of teachings but remember, Ven Jingkong may go wrong as well as agreed by yourself. So being a Buddhist, i try to refrain from saying I follow who and who, for a Buddhist myself, I respect all buddhist teachers lay or ordained, I read all their teachings with an open mind and accept it if it corresponds to the Buddha's teachings and is suitable for me, for teachings which are not inline with the Buddha's teachings, we open up for scritinity and discussion.
Its of grave disrespect to call Xtians people who does not understand their God, who are we as Buddhists to judge their God and faith? Clearly, we are nobody and should refrain from judging. We should only know that the Buddha's teachings is the ultimate and highest truth and tell them the difference and reasonability and practicalbilty of the Buddha's teachings.
Buddha learned from many teachers but the truth the Buddha founded as proclaimed by the Buddha is unshared by other non-buddhist teachers.
There is no one true God that manifest into Buddha
There is no judgement day in Buddhism
This is a simple truth, respect other peoples faith just as we respect our own faith, do not play around with their bible to fit into Buddhism also either way. We are different and we need to recongise and respect the difference.
Respecting non buddhist faith has never made me lost my buddhist basic tenet of beliefs. -
"Yi Guan Taos belief familar ?" You seems to think so...
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For me, no, however, you would dearly like to lump yi kuan dao together with Jing Kung Fashi Teachings and discredit them together.
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Why don't you repost you previous postings to prove me wrong?
Your postings pages 8 to 5.
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1) Yi kuan is syncretic religion, with the same people praying to different
deities, they do not seek the three refuges.
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2) Jing Kung Fashi is of a Buddhist lineage, his disciples seek the three
refuges. His disciples are encouraged to read and learn from other
religions but I doubt he encourages his students to pray to non Buddhist
deities, and whether they use others' scriptures as liturgy in their daily
chanting.
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I don't know with any certainty, did they use non
buddhis liturgy and worship God and Allah, you tell me.
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So do you mean it is okday that as long we take refuge in triple gems and lump everything together is Okay?
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Originally posted by WeeShun:
weychin said: It is absolute until you provide testimonial from a recognised Jing Kung's followers to prove otherwise. It is now my opinion against yours, none are proofs.
My reply:
Weychin, you said from beginning that you are SURE and ABSOLUTE that NOBODY converted due to ven Jingkong asking them to worship God and Allah.
I said I don't know.
So what do i need to prove now when I said from very beginning that I don't know.
You said you know and its up to you to prove your claims.
I will only need to prove to you if I said "I am sure and absolute that many people converted due to Ven Jingkong" which I never said.
I will not say things which I don't know, it's baseless.
So your assertion of Jing Kung Fashi is based on opinion not facts ?
Your previous postings don't seem to indicate so, especially you are so vigorous in your arguments.
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Originally posted by WeeShun:
Its of grave disrespect to call Xtians people who does not understand their God, who are we as Buddhists to judge their God and faith? Clearly, we are nobody and should refrain from judging. We should only know that the Buddha's teachings is the ultimate and highest truth and tell them the difference and reasonability and practicalbilty of the Buddha's teachings.sw: how u know i was not a X'tian before.
Buddha learned from many teachers but the truth the Buddha founded as proclaimed by the Buddha is unshared by other non-buddhist teachers.
There is no one true God that manifest into Buddhasw: "true God" is just a word. Understanding more important. HHDL talk able Primordial Buddha.
Dalai Lama's answer:-
Q: You have said that according to Buddhist philosophy there is no Creator, no God of creation, and this may initially put off many people who believe in a divine principle. Can you explain the difference between the Vajrayana Primordial Buddha and a Creator God?
A: I understand the Primordial Buddha, also known as Buddha Samantabhadra, to be the ultimate reality, the realm of the Dharmakaya-- the space of emptiness--where all phenomena, pure and impure, are dissolved. This is the explanation taught by the Sutras and Tantras. However, in the context of your question, the tantric tradition is the only one which explains the Dharmakaya in terms of Inherent clear light, the essential nature of the mind; this would seem imply that all phenomena, samsara and nirvana, arise from this clear and luminous source. Even the New School of Translation came to the conclusion that the "state of rest" of a practitioner of the Great Yoga--Great Yoga implies here the state of the practitioner who has reached a stage in meditation where the most subtle experience of clear light has been realized--that for as long as the practitioner remains in this ultimate sphere he or she remains totally free of any sort of veil obscuring the mind, and is immersed in a state of great bliss.
We can say, therefore, that this ultimate source, clear light, is close to the notion of a Creator, since all phenomena, whether they belong to samsara or nirvana, originate therein. But we must be careful in speaking of this source, we must not be led into error. I do not mean chat there exists somewhere, there, a sort of collective clear light, analogous to the non-Buddhist concept of Brahma as a substratum. We must not be inclined to deify this luminous space. We must understand that when we speak of ultimate or inherent clear light, we are speaking on an individual level.
Likewise, when we speak of karma as the cause of the universe we eliminate the notion of a unique entity called karma existing totally independently. Rather, collective karmic impressions, accumulated individually, are at the origin of the creation of a world. When, in the tantric context, we say that all worlds appear out of clear light, we do not visualize this source as a unique entity, but as the ultimate clear light of each being. We can also, on the basis of its pure essence, understand this clear light to be the Primordial Buddha. All the stages which make up the life of each living being--death, the intermediate state, and rebirth--represent nothing more than the various manifestations of the potential of clear light. It is both the most subtle consciousness and energy. The more clear light loses its subtlety, the more your experiences take shape.
In this way, death and the intermediate state are moments where the gross manifestations emanating from clear light are reabsorbed. At death we return to that original source, and from there a slightly more gross state emerges to form the intermediate state preceding rebirth. At the stage of rebirth, clear light is apparent in a physical incarnation. At death we return to this source. And so on. The ability to recognize subtle clear light, also called the Primordial Buddha, is equivalent to realizing nirvana, whereas ignorance of the nature of clear light leaves us to wander in the different realms of samsaric existence.
This is how I understand the concept of the Primordial Buddha. It would be a grave error to conceive of it as an independent and autonomous existence from beginningless time. If we had to accept the idea of an independent creator, the explanations given in the Pramanavartika, the "Compendium of Valid Knowledge" written by Dharmakirti, and in the ninth chapter of the text by Shantideva, which completely refutes the existence per se of all phenomena, would be negated. This, in turn, would refute the notion of the Primordial Buddha. The Buddhist point of view does not accept the validity of affirmations which do not stand up to logical examination. If a sutra describes the Primordial Buddha as an autonomous entity, we must be able to interpret this assertion without taking it literally. We call this type of sutra an "interpretable" sutra.
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weychin. nope, because I disagree with Yi Guan Tao's teachings as well ... the same kind of teaching from Ven Jingkong comes into the picture with Yi Guan Dao or even De Jiao, this is the reason i asked, if Yi Guan Dao is Okay ?
If Yiguandao is deemed not okay, ven jingkong's god manifest into buddha allah jesus kongzi is not okay either.
One's teachings does not automatically qualify authenthic just because he/she is a monk or buddhist. -
So your assertion of Jing Kung Fashi is based on opinion not facts ?
Your previous postings don't seem to indicate so, especially you are so vigorous in your arguments.
my reply:
Facts from his own talks. -
sinewey. whether u ex christian or not, the fact of Buddha is not God and God is not Buddha remains unchanged.
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Originally posted by WeeShun:
So do you mean it is okday that as long we take refuge in triple gems and lump everything together is Okay?
I have put very clear the differences, when did I lump them together?
I think you did that, not me.
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1) Yi kuan is syncretic religion, with the same people praying to different
deities, they do not seek the three refuges.
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2) Jing Kung Fashi is of a Buddhist lineage, his disciples seek the three
refuges. His disciples are encouraged to read and learn from other
religions but I doubt he encourages his students to pray to non Buddhist
deities, and whether they use others' scriptures as liturgy in their daily
chanting.
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